Calzaghe-Kessler: I was wrong

[Duke McKenzie]

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Exactly Cotto beat Judah ,it dont make Cotto great because he beat a guy who was in the top 10 p4p list at 1 point , we all know Judah is a bum and clearly not as good as he was how many years ago

P4P lists are so subjective... how many times has a fighter been "found out" and taken off the lists?

Although he's revitalised his career by moving up to Light Heavy, I said that post Joppy Hopkins was no longer "P4P No.1", that he's notably declined.

Of course, I got all the tedious "you're anti-American, you say that cos you're a brit" bull**** (yawn), but I was proven to be right.

Christ, I get so tired of being right all the time.

[Technical_Skill]

So P4P ranking is determined by who you have beaten? I think I see a flaw here.

Nope of course not, do you think joe calzaghe has better boxing skills than, Mayweather,The Marquez Brothers and Winky?

Even Mosley?

Think about it.

[Tobi.G]

Calzaghe is good, very good, but people just overdo him so much, there are a few insightful people on this site, who for months were trying to explain that Kessler is and was hype, a good solid fighter, who hasnt fought anyone and has two belts he really shouldnt. The whole thing got out of hand when a few people actually thought Kessler would win, if you look at my posts from months back i was saying this was an easy win for calzaghe, and that Kessler is overrated.

Now people are saying calzaghe is top 3 p4p, when he has never fought anyone on the p4p list in 10 years of boxing, yet this year around 8 guys on the P4P list fought each other and they arent as good as him?



Seriously, next week Cotto vs Mosely, two p4p guys fighting each other again compare Cotto's resume to calzaghe entire resume, even at this stage in his career cotto has fought 2 guys who have been p4p (when he fights mosely next week) and his resume isn't much worse than calzaghe's.

So why am i seeing guys saying Joe is P4P number one? a little perspective wouldnt go a miss you know.

You are just looking at the resumes, but face it, Calzaghe is p4p one of the most skilled fighters and Cotto is NOT above him in p4p!! Cotto has beaten better fights than Calzaghe?? The best fighter Cotto has beaten is Judah, besides that he has not faced elite fighters, and Judah is far away of a Topp4p fighter. Dont tell me thats an better accomplishment than what did Calzaghe EVEN before yesterdays fight against Kessler who turned out to be an excellent fighter!! I like Cotto verry much hes one of my faves but hes not an p4p top fighter yet and i dont know if he ever will be cause IMO he looks beatable. If he beats Mosley though i put him on Nr.5 or 6 p4p, but Mosley also is getting old is not 100% the fighter he once was. Calzaghe has not fought manny big stars, but he has faced manny good fighters and hes unbeaten in over 40 fights and has a verry long title reign. Of course, i think Mayweather and Pacman are still above Calzaghe, but Calzaghe is Nr.3 And Winkys time is over, He was once verry high p4p but not anymore IMO.

[Duke McKenzie]

Winky with his elongated arms that just jabs all night? I like Winky, but if he and Calzaghe were the same weight - P4P, right? - I'd pick The Blow.

Mosley is a faded force.

[Dynamite Kid]

Nope of course not, do you think joe calzaghe has better boxing skills than, Mayweather,The Marquez Brothers and Winky?

Even Mosley?

Think about it.

yeah he has bthan Winky & Mosley ,Mosley is'nt a great Boxer his speed makes him the fighter he is ,who has Mosley beat of great note Dela Hoya he was outclassed badly by Winky twice beaten easily by Forrest and nearly twice & Dela Hoya beat him in the 2nd fight what other Elite fighters has Mosley beat

[Parody]

So you now delcare Calzaghe to be Pound for pound better than Winky Wright, Rafeal Marquez and Shane Mosley?

Not hating on joe, just facts here, when was the last time he fought a legitmate pound for pound fighter?

When was the last time he fought a proven world class fighter with World class wins on his record?

This year the following p4p fighters have or will fight each other (they have all been on the list at some stage thhis year)

Mayweather-Hatton
Cotto-Mosely
Wright-Hopkins
Barrera-Marquez
Vazquez- R.Marquez

Joe Calzaghe beats Mikkel Kessler and that makes him better than these guys, who have fought far better oppositon this year than 95% of the guys calzaghe has ever fought?



Who did Kessler ever beat to make people think he was in the same league as Calzaghe.

****s sake even Kelly Pavlik got in the ring with a p4p guy and knocked him out, yet your quick to put Kessler over pavlik, makes no sense.

Facts:

- Calzaghe has'nt lost a fight since 1993
- 10 Years as a World Champion
- Defended his title 21 Times
- Beaten Eubank, Lacy, Veit, Kessler, and other good fighters
- Beaten 7 World Champions
- Kessler is a very good fighter and is calzaghe's biggest win
- Boxing's current longest reigning world champion
- Takes risks and fights Young/Strong champions at his WEIGHT CLASS unlike *Cough* Hopkins who fights overblown welterweights and light middleweights
- The only FIGHTER at supermiddleweight to have all Four belts at one time or another. WBA/WBO/IBF/WBC - Current Unified champion.

[Technical_Skill]

TECHNICAL SKILL

Have something to chew on here! You have constantly disrespected Calzaghe and now, even faced with inarguable evidence willnot swallow your pride. You want to be right so much that you cant see whats in front of your face. Kessler has two belts, TWO! He aint no bum! Jeff Lacy was rated as one of the best to come out of the states. As a young man, calzaghe put Eubank on the floor.
Why does he HAVE to fight in America, he is the champ, its his belt (or 4)

Get a grip

What evidence,lol,

Valuev was nearly 43-0 and wba world champion, does that make him a world class fighter.

Sven Ottke, look how many belts he won and defences he made, is he better than calzaghe?



Next time you talk ****, drink a glass of domestos before hand, means i dont have to put up with the smell.

[porlie]

awesome win for Joe, when he started boxing behind his jab he did well. Dropping his hands was ****** though. No points for being macho.

[Technical_Skill]

You are just looking at the resumes, but face it, Calzaghe is p4p one of the most skilled fighters and Cotto is NOT above him in p4p!! Cotto has beaten better fights than Calzaghe?? The best fighter Cotto has beaten is Judah, besides that he has not faced elite fighters, and Judah is far away of a Topp4p fighter. Dont tell me thats an better accomplishment than what did Calzaghe EVEN before yesterdays fight against Kessler who turned out to be an excellent fighter!! Calzaghe has not fought manny big stars, but he has faced manny good fighters and hes unbeaten in over 40 fights and has a verry long title reign. Of course, i think Mayweather and Pacman are still above Calzaghe, but Calzaghe is Nr.3

I think someone has reading problems, i said, Cotto's resume isnt much worse than Calzaghe's, i didnt say it was better.

Ermm, so Cotto fights Mosley and Judah back to back, Calzaghe fights Manfredo and Kessler back to back,

Kessler and excellent fighter? Nope. A solid one yes, i didnt know beating libero andrade makes you excellent,

Im sorry i cant take anyone seriously who thinks calzaghe is more Skilled and has fought better guys than Rafeal Marquez and Winky Wright, even Hopkins has fought better names and was/is more skilled , even though style wise the hopkins fight may favor calzaghe (cos the most skilled fighter doesnt always win)

[Parody]

I think someone has reading problems, i said, Cotto's resume isnt much worse than Calzaghe's, i didnt say it was better.

Ermm, so Cotto fights Mosley and Judah back to back, Calzaghe fights Manfredo and Kessler back to back,

Kessler and excellent fighter? Nope. A solid one yes, i didnt know beating libero andrade makes you excellent,

Im sorry i cant take anyone seriously who thinks calzaghe is more Skilled and has fought better guys than Rafeal Marquez and Winky Wright, even Hopkins has fought better names and was/is more skilled , even though style wise the hopkins fight may favor calzaghe (cos the most skilled fighter doesnt always win)

Even an out of prime Eubank is better than Zab "Super" Judah. Kessler and Lacy were both Young and Strong champs, both undefeated, so was Mario Veit.