Calzaghe-Kessler: I was wrong

[kevtwin]

TECHNICAL SKILL

Have something to chew on here! You have constantly disrespected Calzaghe and now, even faced with inarguable evidence willnot swallow your pride. You want to be right so much that you cant see whats in front of your face. Kessler has two belts, TWO! He aint no bum! Jeff Lacy was rated as one of the best to come out of the states. As a young man, calzaghe put Eubank on the floor.
Why does he HAVE to fight in America, he is the champ, its his belt (or 4)

Get a grip

[Duke McKenzie]

Calzaghe is good, very good, but people just overdo him so much, there are a few insightful people on this site, who for months were trying to explain that Kessler is and was hype, a good solid fighter, who hasnt fought anyone and has two belts he really shouldnt. The whole thing got out of hand when a few people actually thought Kessler would win, if you look at my posts from months back i was saying this was an easy win for calzaghe, and that Kessler is overrated.

Now people are saying calzaghe is top 3 p4p, when he has never fought anyone on the p4p list in 10 years of boxing, yet this year around 8 guys on the P4P list fought each other and they arent as good as him?



Seriously, next week Cotto vs Mosely, two p4p guys fighting each other again compare Cotto's resume to calzaghe entire resume, even at this stage in his career cotto has fought 2 guys who have been p4p (when he fights mosely next week) and his resume isn't much worse than calzaghe's.

So why am i seeing guys saying Joe is P4P number one? a little perspective wouldnt go a miss you know.

That's six mentions of "P4P" in one post. Considering "P4P" is a HYPOTHETICAL ranking, then that's taking it a little too seriously.

[Technical_Skill]

That's six mentions of "P4P" in one post. Considering "P4P" is a HYPOTHETICAL ranking, then that's taking it a little too seriously.

Just because something is HYOPTHETICAL, doesnt mean some degree of Logic should be applied to it.

Look at calzaghe's resume and the guys he has beaten, now take the guys in the top 10 p4p and look at the guys they have beaten, how does beating Kessler make you top 3 p4p, compared with the other massive fights that have taken place this year and will take place.

[SHB]

So P4P ranking is determined by who you have beaten? I think I see a flaw here.

[Unseen]

Just because something is HYOPTHETICAL, doesnt mean some degree of Logic should be applied to it.

Look at calzaghe's resume and the guys he has beaten, now take the guys in the top 10 p4p and look at the guys they have beaten, how does beating Kessler make you top 3 p4p, compared with the other massive fights that have taken place this year and will take place.

just because you don't know who is on his resume does not mean they aren't significant. some of them have held belts or went onto hold belts.

i mean he won with what was put in front of him.

schumacher would not have won 5 titles with a mclaren btw

joe is an under achiever in terms of who he has fought, but he is in my mind no doubt a great boxer. i mean he has beaten up some fighters badly, anbd on that night he would have given any prime jones a fight.

[Unseen]

Just because something is HYOPTHETICAL, doesnt mean some degree of Logic should be applied to it.

Look at calzaghe's resume and the guys he has beaten, now take the guys in the top 10 p4p and look at the guys they have beaten, how does beating Kessler make you top 3 p4p, compared with the other massive fights that have taken place this year and will take place.

resumes are always questionable btw. i mean beating an out of prime name doesn't mean that the opponent is truely more credible than someone who had or was to go and get a belt.

[Duke McKenzie]

Just because something is HYOPTHETICAL, doesnt mean some degree of Logic should be applied to it.

Look at calzaghe's resume and the guys he has beaten, now take the guys in the top 10 p4p and look at the guys they have beaten, how does beating Kessler make you top 3 p4p, compared with the other massive fights that have taken place this year and will take place.

But then we get into ******uous rankings because you're regarding P4P exponents (oh, and please stop "" at the end of every point you make, it's really crass and annoying) on the strength of them beating other P4P exponents.

Look at Winky Wright. Now, I like Winky, but he got there after beating an out-of-his-natural-weight-class Shane Mosley, then consolodated that by beating an always technically crap Tito.

Since then, okay, he beat Jermain Taylor but he was bashed around by old man Hopkins.

I mean... are you REALLY telling me you don't think Joe Blow could beat Wanky Wrong?

[Dynamite Kid]

But then we get into ******uous rankings because you're regarding P4P exponents (oh, and please stop "" at the end of every point you make, it's really crass and annoying) on the strength of them beating other P4P exponents.

Look at Winky Wright. Now, I like Winky, but he got there after beating an out-of-his-natural-weight-class Shane Mosley, then consolodated that by beating an always technically crap Tito.

Since then, okay, he beat Jermain Taylor but he was bashed around by old man Hopkins.

I mean... are you REALLY telling me you don't think Joe Blow could beat Wanky Wrong?

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Exactly Cotto beat Judah ,it dont make Cotto great because he beat a guy who was in the top 10 p4p list at 1 point , we all know Judah is a bum and clearly not as good as he was how many years ago

[Tobi.G]

No, not about the outcome. I was very confident that Calzaghe would win. I predicted a late stoppage in a fit of bravado but really I knew this was going to points and that it would be a relatively wide UD. I also knew that Calzaghe was that damn good. Best British boxer of his generation and you have to have him pretty high in the all-time list for this island.

What I was wrong about was Kessler. Before the fight I couldn't see how he could get to Calzaghe but I'm telling you he must have some serious skills to land the jab and some very heavy right hands and uppercuts on the old man. No-one since Reid in the last 8 years has made a fight against Calzaghe competitive and Kessler undoubtedly did so. This might sounds daft but, if it's possible, Kessler might have pushed himself into the P4P reckoning even in defeat, and a conclusive one at that. I was also very impressed with him after the fight in which he acted as he had during the buildup - like a class act. He made a fan out of me last night and I'll certainly be following his career with renewed interest from now on.

As for the future, I see Kessler dominating at 168 for as long as he wants. No-one will touch him there, certainly not anyone currently in the division and the likes of Pavlik and Taylor have little to no chance against him if they come up. Miranda will get knocked out of the ring in 30 seconds flat.

Calzaghe - it's MSG and Hopkins in the spring. I'll be there for that. IMO he cemented his position in the top 3 P4P and possibly in #2 now. No-one can doubt him now. No-one.

I was also not suprised with the outcome. I have not seen the fight yet but heard it was fantastic. But i doubt Miranda would get knocked out in 30 seconds, bull****. Who has Kessler knocked out in the first round that he might do it against Miranda who looked better in his first supermiddleweight bout as in his middleweight fights? Miranda is faster at supermiddle and hes getting better, has a fast good jab and long arms, hes an good fighter. Kessler would most definately beat him, propably stop him, but in 30 seconds?? Common man!! Miranda is a tough SOB and a good fighter. Once Calzaghe retires, Kessler will shurely be the Nr1 at the division, propably for a long time since hes just 28 years old.

[Technical_Skill]

But then we get into ******uous rankings because you're regarding P4P exponents (oh, and please stop "" at the end of every point you make, it's really crass and annoying) on the strength of them beating other P4P exponents.

Look at Winky Wright. Now, I like Winky, but he got there after beating an out-of-his-natural-weight-class Shane Mosley, then consolodated that by beating an always technically crap Tito.

Since then, okay, he beat Jermain Taylor but he was bashed around by old man Hopkins.

I mean... are you REALLY telling me you don't think Joe Blow could beat Wanky Wrong?

So lets work this one out then mate.

In 10 years Calzaghe these are the best 3 fighters Calzaghe has fought

Eubank (Shot)
Kessler (lol)
Lacy (was dangerous)

You would put him on a par with a guy like Winky Wright who has Fought Taylor, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad,

Fair enough mosely was out of his depth and trinidad was old, but Calzaghe fights the likes of Kabery Salem, Got knocked down by mitchell and that other bum no one cares about, Sakio Bika, Tocker Pudwill and all these legendary names,

And you think Pound for Pound calzaghe deserves to be higher up on the pound for pound list?

And a few people thought wright should have got the nod over hopkins, point being,

Of course calzaghe would most likely take winky at 170+, but thats ****** but only cos winky would be out of his depth, i dont think calzaghe has better boxing skills than Winky Wright, he hasn't fought better oppostion than winky wright, and he hasnt beaten better fighters than winky wright.

enjoy. haha.