Pavlik-Taylor 2

[Jim Jeffries]

Okay... let me actually draw an arrow between your question to me answers.

Miranda beats Green + Pavlik beats Miranda = Pavlik beats Green.

Okay, that was the triangle theories don't work thing. Let me show you an example of another triangle theory that didn't work, at all.

Mosley wins twice over De La Hoya
Forrest wins twice over Mosley
Mayorga wins twice over Forrest

Mayorga should absolutely kill De La Hoya... 6 fights prove that under the triangle theory... instead, it was one of the biggest outclassings of all time by De La Hoya when he battered Mayorga for 6 and then knocked him out.

Okay... you said that Winky gets hit a ton in his defensive stance, and was knocked down multiple times in the Julio Cesar Vasquez fight.

I said that Winky wasn't using his current style back then. He developed that as a way to come forward, so he could be more popular, and hopefully get the nod from the judges in more close rounds after he lost a controversial decision to Vargas.

I also said that I have never seen Winky Wright hurt, in any fight. Tremendous defense + tremendous chin is usually not a guy who is predicted to be KO'd, which is why I am curious why everyone thinks this will be easy work for Pavlik if he fights Wright.

Did I answer your questions a little better?

Another older example:
Jerry Quarry TKO 1 Earnie Shavers
Earnie Shavers KO 1 Jimmie Ellis
so Quarry should be able to KILL Ellis right?
Nope Jimmie Ellis MD15 Jerry Quarry.

[crillz]

he fought a Taylor who got comfortable, it was evident because he was beginning to talk **** before his fights and feel like he can't lose, one thing about Taylor is he is his own worst critic, he will say after a fairly well performance that he feels he ****ed up, he's very humble but he got too comfortable, he went up against a unique specimen in Pavlik and paid the price for his seasoned ways. I think that a Taylor with something to prove WILL keep his hands up, he WILL stay off those ropes, I'm pretty sure that by now he's watched that fight over 200 times even if only that 7th round.

that defeat did something to Taylor but it didn't bring him down it made him more focused, his eyes were opened and he now see's that those minor mistakes he was making and just amicably acknowledging but not doing nothing about them finally came back to haunt him, he was able to slide against the biggest opponents on his resume when doing **** like that because of those opponent's styles, they were not KO artists and couldn't make him pay, he fought Pavlik and Kelly made him pay so now Taylor just has to understand what he did wrong and adjust accordingly..

I think Jermain wins this by impressive UD, basically the same fight except without the errors, his hands will be held up high and he wont fall on them ropes and IF he does he will get up outta there.. people are putting a cloud over Kelly's head and not seeing that he CAN be hit and very hard by the right guy, Taylor IS the right guy, but even a great fighter can fall due to mistakes, I think Taylor can come back strong and out do Pavlik, Taylor shouldn't be so willing to engage, he should flex his skills and dominate the pace.. I saw a different Jermain after the fight, he didn't just lose the fight he lost his mind, he was humble but hurt enotionally as well as physically, to him it's more than titles, he would fight Pavlik for free and I think THATS what will win it for him, his determination will be sky high and I don't expect Pavlik to be any less, I would pay even 70$ to see this live as it's happening.. Taylor by UD. 100

[rambov]

Yo,
Taylor is going to knock Pav out. I think so. Like I said before I think Manny can fix whatever was missing from Taylor that nght.

[pesticid]

Taylor can last 12 only with Pat Burns in his corner. And even if he gets beat-up every round he'll still be given the decision. I don't think his pride will allow for Pat Burns to rejoin him. So he'll probably get destroyed again. I think Winky gets stopped. Bronko McKart is probably bigger than Winky and hits harder, has very similar style to Winky and Pavlik destroyed him. Winky will last maybe to the 10 or 11th cause he's very tough but old too.

So who beats Pavlik? Kessler and Calzaghe both beat him. I think Kessler beats him more convincingly.

[pesticid]

My dream match-up for Pavlik will be against Glen Johnson. The Johnson that fought Roy, if that Johnson shows up I'll favour him.

[Wiley Hyena]

he fought a Taylor who got comfortable, it was evident because he was beginning to talk **** before his fights and feel like he can't lose, one thing about Taylor is he is his own worst critic, he will say after a fairly well performance that he feels he ****ed up, he's very humble but he got too comfortable, he went up against a unique specimen in Pavlik and paid the price for his seasoned ways. I think that a Taylor with something to prove WILL keep his hands up, he WILL stay off those ropes, I'm pretty sure that by now he's watched that fight over 200 times even if only that 7th round.

that defeat did something to Taylor but it didn't bring him down it made him more focused, his eyes were opened and he now see's that those minor mistakes he was making and just amicably acknowledging but not doing nothing about them finally came back to haunt him, he was able to slide against the biggest opponents on his resume when doing **** like that because of those opponent's styles, they were not KO artists and couldn't make him pay, he fought Pavlik and Kelly made him pay so now Taylor just has to understand what he did wrong and adjust accordingly..

I think Jermain wins this by impressive UD, basically the same fight except without the errors, his hands will be held up high and he wont fall on them ropes and IF he does he will get up outta there.. people are putting a cloud over Kelly's head and not seeing that he CAN be hit and very hard by the right guy, Taylor IS the right guy, but even a great fighter can fall due to mistakes, I think Taylor can come back strong and out do Pavlik, Taylor shouldn't be so willing to engage, he should flex his skills and dominate the pace.. I saw a different Jermain after the fight, he didn't just lose the fight he lost his mind, he was humble but hurt enotionally as well as physically, to him it's more than titles, he would fight Pavlik for free and I think THATS what will win it for him, his determination will be sky high and I don't expect Pavlik to be any less, I would pay even 70$ to see this live as it's happening.. Taylor by UD. 100

Nice analysis. Unfortunately, when it comes right down to it, Taylor just can't handle what Pavlik brings to the table. Taylor cannot handle Pavlik's reach advantage, nor his jab. Pavlik simply jabs Taylor until the big right hand finally reaches home plate. It's just that simple. As much as I respect him, Taylor will go down again. This is the probability as I see it.

[ElGranLuchador]

taylor gave it all he had in the first fight he tried to ko pavlik and was kinda succesfull till he started to get hit back then he started to box him and got koed by pavlik reach in my opinion taylor fought a great fight the first one and the second its just pointless hes gonna get hurt badly

[Matt Marvelous]

You know...I really thought Jermain would do in the first fight what people are saying he needs to do in this one. Keep his guard high, circle around, keep Pavlik off-balance, control the fight with his jab, and look to set up counters with the right hand. He did none of these things, at least not consistently. I guess he underestimated how tough Pavlik is. He tried to out-bull the bull rather than matador the bull. When you have won all of your fights by being able to physically impose yourself on your opponents, sometimes guys tend to do that until it fails them. Jermain Taylor is the perfect example. Jermain is a bull who came across a bigger bull and instead of using his speed and fighting experience, he tried to out-muscle him. I have a difficult time picturing Taylor doing many things differently in the second fight. The first match made me lose a lot of faith in what Jermain Taylor is capable of doing inside a boxing ring. I stayed confident in him, through the controversial draw with Wright. I shrugged off the unimpressive win over Kassim Ouma. Even the debacle against Cory Spinks, I attributed to Spinks fighting like a coward and nothing else. But the Pavlik fight has made me lose almost all belief that Jermain can adjust himself to opposition that doesn't favor his style. All of that said, I'm going with Pavlik in rematch by KO again. Everyone has the fighter they can't beat. Pavlik is Jermain's.

[ElGranLuchador]

You know...I really thought Jermain would do in the first fight what people are saying he needs to do in this one. Keep his guard high, circle around, keep Pavlik off-balance, control the fight with his jab, and look to set up counters with the right hand. He did none of these things, at least not consistently. I guess he underestimated how tough Pavlik is. He tried to out-bull the bull rather than matador the bull. When you have won all of your fights by being able to physically impose yourself on your opponents, sometimes guys tend to do that until it fails them. Jermain Taylor is the perfect example. Jermain is a bull who came across a bigger bull and instead of using his speed and fighting experience, he tried to out-muscle him. I have a difficult time picturing Taylor doing many things differently in the second fight. The first match made me lose a lot of faith in what Jermain Taylor is capable of doing inside a boxing ring. I stayed confident in him, through the controversial draw with Wright. I shrugged off the unimpressive win over Kassim Ouma. Even the debacle against Cory Spinks, I attributed to Spinks fighting like a coward and nothing else. But the Pavlik fight has made me lose almost all belief that Jermain can adjust himself to opposition that doesn't favor his style. All of that said, I'm going with Pavlik in rematch by KO again. Everyone has the fighter they can't beat. Pavlik is Jermain's.

agree taylor is to pavlik like paper is to scissors

[WLAD OWNS]

How the **** is Taylor getting all of these votes. Taylor has no chance in the rematch and he will be brutally KO'd again, 100% GURANTEED.

The people that are voting for Taylor are either nuthuggers or racists that will never bet against black fighters.