Prime Roy Jones Jr the greatest P4P Boxer ever???

[joepal]

All I know is that when Roy beat John Ruiz a few years back, I transformed from a hater to a big fan.

[Knicksman20]

Roy formidable in his prime. My complaint about Roy is that he wasted alot of time fighting tomato cans. Am I wrong? Why didn't Hopkins ever get a rematch? I never figured that out except for that one time in which Roy made an offer that was so insulting that Bernard wouldn't accept. What was it, a 60/40 split in favor of Jones? I remember Bernard complaining about it because he was the champ at the time. Again, I've not researched this issue and going strictly off memory which is admittedly foggy. What are the details of the never to materialize Hopkins-Jones rematch?

Hopkins priced himself out of the Jones rematch. Jones was recognized as "The Man" in boxing & had been a star for much longer. Not to mention he already holds a W over Hopkins. Hopkins had just defeated Trinidad & was trying to demand parity with Jones which to me was the easiest way of getting out of the fight.

[Rane-Ex54]

I can't belive half of you people think Roy Jones in his prime was best P4P ever, that is pure rediculuosness & anybody who thinks so really needs to touch up on there boxing history. You guys dissapoint me sometimes, really.

[hemichromis]

roy is too big for the fab 4, except maybe hagler. roy fought at 160 early on and was big there, in the day before weigh-in era. leonard peaked at 147, hearns at 154, duran at 135. hagler was @ 160.

the only guy i see having a fair chance against roy is hagler. skill can overcome size in some regards, but this is roy jones we're talking about, but donny lalonde or dennis andries.

i see your point but we're discussing p4p here so we assue that they weight the same

[pbftxrs316]

dont try to compar mayweather to jones, mayweather will always come off worse. i can' be bothered to explain whybut i'm sure someone else will.

and this is why i will never give you credit for a decent argument and claim that your posts as well as many other's on here lack and type of substance because you cannot give any logical reasoning as to why, like i gave. i gave credible reasoning to argue my points, not just make an assumption as you did with no facts behind it. i mean, claiming that floyd would come off worse is silly, seeing how he defeated everyman he has fought in 5 different weight classes in 10 years. and note i put in skillwise, as you cannot take his skills away from him whether you want to or not. i actually have every roy jones jr and floyd mayweather jr fight in the pros, so if you would like to to break down every fight the both of them had and show you why i feel the way i do, then i'll do it. i have no problem typing all night to prove my points on just how better skilled floyd was than roy, because he damn sure was, and this is taking nothing away from roy, as he is naturally gifted to the core, but the reason he lost his fights against someone like a tarver who he should have beaten easily is not only because of his lack of dedication to his training but because of his style which was figured out, he couldn't find the fundamentals he had when he was a younger. floyd, on the other hand, is so fundamentally sound, that he could go out and make 100 music videos, and become a part time fighter, yet, have the mindset to come back and dominate unlike roy. this was roy's downfall more than his opponents, his unorthodox style that made him special and should have been too hard to damn near impossible for any fighter to figure out, seeing how his style was unpredictable, but once it was figured out he had nothing else to fall back on. floyd is a master boxer. roy was a gifted/talented boxer with limited fundamentals in hi style which is why he is not the greatest p4p fighter ever. he was not better than a leonard, robinson, mayweather jr, ali, or even sweet pea. these guys are all better p4p than roy and others are too, but roy was something special with his skills, but that's where it ends.

[TheGR8TESTOAT]

Hopkins priced himself out of the Jones rematch. Jones was recognized as "The Man" in boxing & had been a star for much longer. Not to mention he already holds a W over Hopkins. Hopkins had just defeated Trinidad & was trying to demand parity with Jones which to me was the easiest way of getting out of the fight.

60/40 will get your ass kicked!

[SkillspayBills]

50/50 even, I guess this is a very debatable topic.

[hemichromis]

and this is why i will never give you credit for a decent argument and claim that your posts as well as many other's on here lack and type of substance because you cannot give any logical reasoning as to why, like i gave. i gave credible reasoning to argue my points, not just make an assumption as you did with no facts behind it. i mean, claiming that floyd would come off worse is silly, seeing how he defeated everyman he has fought in 5 different weight classes in 10 years. and note i put in skillwise, as you cannot take his skills away from him whether you want to or not. i actually have every roy jones jr and floyd mayweather jr fight in the pros, so if you would like to to break down every fight the both of them had and show you why i feel the way i do, then i'll do it. i have no problem typing all night to prove my points on just how better skilled floyd was than roy, because he damn sure was, and this is taking nothing away from roy, as he is naturally gifted to the core, but the reason he lost his fights against someone like a tarver who he should have beaten easily is not only because of his lack of dedication to his training but because of his style which was figured out, he couldn't find the fundamentals he had when he was a younger. floyd, on the other hand, is so fundamentally sound, that he could go out and make 100 music videos, and become a part time fighter, yet, have the mindset to come back and dominate unlike roy. this was roy's downfall more than his opponents, his unorthodox style that made him special and should have been too hard to damn near impossible for any fighter to figure out, seeing how his style was unpredictable, but once it was figured out he had nothing else to fall back on. floyd is a master boxer. roy was a gifted/talented boxer with limited fundamentals in hi style which is why he is not the greatest p4p fighter ever. he was not better than a leonard, robinson, mayweather jr, ali, or even sweet pea. these guys are all better p4p than roy and others are too, but roy was something special with his skills, but that's where it ends.

yet another thread of yours where you talk alot and say little!

jones lost against tarver because he was getting old, he still looked quick but his reflexs were gone.

jones' unorthodoxy was his genius. boxers are tld not to throw a lead right, so what do boxers least expect in the ring? a straight right of corse!

roy jones was unpredictable that was what made him so effective.

roy jones holds a good claim for p4p king, just look how he completely dominated the best boxers i the world! hopkins, toney both looked amatuerish against jones.


mayweather on the other hand is largely untested and you cannot name an untested fighter as p4p champ. i have a feeling we may learn something from the hatton fight one way or the other.


oh FYI your 'logical reasoning' is based on a bias so its not entirely objective is it?

[me2007]

my take on roy is this. Great boxer who made average fighters look like complete losers. He looked superhuman compared to them. he never fought anyone in their prime, toney was a fat slob who lost about 30 lbs in a day and hopkins wasn`t at his best. Thats two decent fighters he has fought in a very long career. Then add Johnson and Tarver and the steroid scandle into the mix and suddenly roys career looks anything but spectacular.

Good fighter, with great reflexes and technique but never really proved it against the best, question mark over doping. ATG no way.

[tredh]

I don't think Jones is the best ever P4P but I do think he might possibly be the most athletic boxer ever.