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  • No1
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    How to counter calzaghes style?

    How would you go about beating calzaghe if you were kessler or any other fighter?
    I find it hard to think of any way to beat his style because you cant trade as he's to fast, you cant box him as he's a southpaw and is to fast yet again. so what can you do to beat him?
    The only way i can see of beating him is to get dirty ala sakio bika, you should try and rough him up, punch in clinches and generally use rough house tactics against him.
    Also who inthe world is good enough to use the type of tactics listed to beat him. The only man in my eyes would have been hopkins, but hes so old he couldnt keep up the pressure of joe.
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    97-03 Hopkins beats Calzaghe six or seven days a week

    The way to beat Calzaghe is don't initiate the action, let him come forward looking at the canvas, hit him coming in and don't let him hold you and hit you (which has been his main tactic in his career, grabbing your arm and wailing his left hand (punching in the clinches))

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    • jangeorg
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      #3
      Originally posted by No1
      How would you go about beating calzaghe if you were kessler or any other fighter?
      I find it hard to think of any way to beat his style because you cant trade as he's to fast, you cant box him as he's a southpaw and is to fast yet again. so what can you do to beat him?
      The only way i can see of beating him is to get dirty ala sakio bika, you should try and rough him up, punch in clinches and generally use rough house tactics against him.
      Also who inthe world is good enough to use the type of tactics listed to beat him. The only man in my eyes would have been hopkins, but hes so old he couldnt keep up the pressure of joe.



      IMO the fight will be a very good display of Soutpaw vs orthodox. Furthermore the fight will be a tactical affair where JC will try to get "inside" on Kessler in order to land the combos. MK will try to keep Joe at a distance to control fights the way he usually does.

      The thing is - neither fighter is imo able to be succesull at their usual gameplan.

      Kessler will not be able to live of his jab because of Joes right hand and Joe wont be able to get on the inside because of Kesslers counter right and extreme control of distance.

      This is just one of the things that makes this fight a 50/50 fight.

      Because - what will Joe do when he gets punished by the counter right? What will Kessler do when his jab doesnt play the big part anymore?


      ??

      Ive come to the conclusion that Kessler will win the fight.
      Even if Joe WILL get more goodwill on the scorecards I think Kessler takes it in a possible SD or maybe even in a tko/ko.

      The main reason in this prediction is that I feel kessler is the only fighter in Joe's career who is able too outbox him from the distance.

      This obsoletes the southpaw/orthodox advantages and furthermore brings another aspect to the game.
      In the Lacy fight, Joe was the fighter waiting for the other, which usually is a HUGE tactical advantage. Thus meaning, that the agressor often doesnt have the full perspective in either infight or on the outside.

      Kessler will be waiting for Joe all night if its what it takes. And when Joe tryes he will be punished - either by the counter cross or the left hook (which he wont expect).

      On the other hand I can see Joe getting to Kessler and throw him around just like he did to Lacy....
      But I am almost certain that this wont happen because MK is bigger, faster and has a superior punch arsenal, faster feet and a well functioning tactical gameplan compared to Lacy.

      Some bold analysists have also claimed that Kessler's jab wont be a factor at all. This is ******. An orthodox jab (especially a pistol one) will often be used against a southpaw, in order to settle for other punches when the southpaw tries to get in. In other words it is usually displayed as bait, because the southpaw will fell safe to move when he has evaded the jab.

      The fight will explode in the 9- 10'th round.
      A counter cross, a left hook - goodnight Joe Calzaghe.

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        #4
        Originally posted by jangeorg
        IMO the fight will be a very good display of Soutpaw vs orthodox. Furthermore the fight will be a tactical affair where JC will try to get "inside" on Kessler in order to land the combos. MK will try to keep Joe at a distance to control fights the way he usually does.

        The thing is - neither fighter is imo able to be succesull at their usual gameplan.

        Kessler will not be able to live of his jab because of Joes right hand and Joe wont be able to get on the inside because of Kesslers counter right and extreme control of distance.

        This is just one of the things that makes this fight a 50/50 fight.

        Because - what will Joe do when he gets punished by the counter right? What will Kessler do when his jab doesnt play the big part anymore?


        ??

        Ive come to the conclusion that Kessler will win the fight.
        Even if Joe WILL get more goodwill on the scorecards I think Kessler takes it in a possible SD or maybe even in a tko/ko.

        The main reason in this prediction is that I feel kessler is the only fighter in Joe's career who is able too outbox him from the distance.

        This obsoletes the southpaw/orthodox advantages and furthermore brings another aspect to the game.
        In the Lacy fight, Joe was the fighter waiting for the other, which usually is a HUGE tactical advantage. Thus meaning, that the agressor often doesnt have the full perspective in either infight or on the outside.

        Kessler will be waiting for Joe all night if its what it takes. And when Joe tryes he will be punished - either by the counter cross or the left hook (which he wont expect).

        On the other hand I can see Joe getting to Kessler and throw him around just like he did to Lacy....
        But I am almost certain that this wont happen because MK is bigger, faster and has a superior punch arsenal, faster feet and a well functioning tactical gameplan compared to Lacy.

        Some bold analysists have also claimed that Kessler's jab wont be a factor at all. This is ******. An orthodox jab (especially a pistol one) will often be used against a southpaw, in order to settle for other punches when the southpaw tries to get in. In other words it is usually displayed as bait, because the southpaw will fell safe to move when he has evaded the jab.

        The fight will explode in the 9- 10'th round.
        A counter cross, a left hook - goodnight Joe Calzaghe.
        Good analysis.
        The same can be said for joe he could counter with a staight left and come over with the right hook, so who knows.
        Im so looking forward to nov 3rd.

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        • EliteSoldier
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          #5
          The jab can give Calzaghe problems. And Calzaghes inside game can give kessler problems if he is able to get kessler against the ropes. Thats why its 50/50. Plus joe throws more, but Kessler hits harder with his combos. And I think if you look at the stats, Calzaghe throws more, but Kessler lands more... I could be wrong though... Though stats are kind of meaningless in a fight such as this. Will see the best of the two most likely.

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          • majestiC
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            #6
            Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
            97-03 Hopkins beats Calzaghe six or seven days a week

            The way to beat Calzaghe is don't initiate the action, let him come forward looking at the canvas, hit him coming in and don't let him hold you and hit you (which has been his main tactic in his career, grabbing your arm and wailing his left hand (punching in the clinches))
            so why did hopkins duck him? calzaghe does to much for hopkins to win.

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            • Peder
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              #7
              Heart vs. discipline..

              The roles aren't the same as in the Lacy fight. Joe will need to spoil Kessler in this one, and he won’t be easy to get against the ropes - in fact, it has never been done.

              Big issue in this fight; Kessler, no matter what happens, won't get frustrated if something turns out to be more difficult than predicted. Joe might loose his head.

              Just curious; does anybody really think Joe is better than Kessler fighting at range?

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              • RodBarker
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                #8
                I got 12,000 pts to bet ,, I want Kessler , any takers ?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Peder
                  Joe will need to spoil Kessler in this one, and he won’t be easy to get against the ropes - in fact, it has never been done.
                  Are you saying Kessler hasn't been against the ropes? Because thats bull****, he was against the ropes when he fought andrade and mundine. He was blocking the whole time, but he was against the ropes in those fights... You don't even watch Kessler do you? Or are you just that biased?

                  KBALL made this video, but as you can clearly see. Kesslers back is on the ropes in it. But he is blocking quite good.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
                    97-03 Hopkins beats Calzaghe six or seven days a week

                    The way to beat Calzaghe is don't initiate the action, let him come forward looking at the canvas, hit him coming in and don't let him hold you and hit you (which has been his main tactic in his career, grabbing your arm and wailing his left hand (punching in the clinches))
                    why so much hate for the welshman?

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