Will Floyd go down as an ATG If he beats Hatton?

[me2007]

this is one of the weakest era's in boxing. Mayweather is just a safety first borefest like Sven Ottke. If he beats Ricky 'leads with his face' Hatton it means nothing. History wont be kind to gayweather.

[demirturk]

this is one of the weakest era's in boxing. Mayweather is just a safety first borefest like Sven Ottke. If he beats Ricky 'leads with his face' Hatton it means nothing. History wont be kind to gayweather.

no it isnt , all of these fighters we be talked up by you guys to your grand children. thats the way it goes.

[AntonTheMeh]

I'm not suggesting that he's running a bum of the month club like the olden days... but ODLH had the fortunate timing of being around w/ a lot of well liked and popular fighters.

Not quite sure what Duran has to do w/ Mosley for this conversation.... Anytime you're talking about a fantasy fight there's no actual correct decision. The past is always glorified while the present is looked down upon.

"The Worst Heavyweight Division Ever" has been running strong w/ that title for what seems like a decade.

duran is considered the greatest lightweight of all time,
mosley was handicapped by fighting in a bad era of lightweights.
there is a thread around these forums that ask the question was mosley unbeatable at lightweight?oscar fought pernell whitaker won a disputed decision,lost to tito in a disputed decision
and got knocked out on a body by hopkins.he fought better fighters,just cause floyd has yet to lose, doesn't mean he's better all time.maybe it's by the fact that his competition wasn't as good as oscar.

[me2007]

no it isnt , all of these fighters we be talked up by you guys to your grand children. thats the way it goes.

You probably think Floyd Mayweather is exciting to watch.

[Dirt E Gomez]

duran is considered the greatest lightweight of all time,
mosley was handicapped by fighting in a bad era of lightweights.
there is a thread around these forums that ask the question was mosley unbeatable at lightweight?oscar fought pernell whitaker won a disputed decision,lost to tito in a disputed decision
and got knocked out on a body by hopkins.he fought better fighters,just cause floyd has yet to lose, doesn't mean he's better all time.maybe it's by the fact that his competition wasn't as good as oscar.

I think you missed my point... or I didn't state it clearly.

THe problem is we always gorifly the history... even recent history. We give a lot of fighters that ODLH fought a lot of credit regardless of their win/loss. Assuming Floyd fights for 2-4 more years and continues w/ his types of fights his resume will seem very similar to that of ODLH.

Quartey, Vargas, Sturm, etc... a lot of these fighters are looked upon much more highly than they should be. They're solid fighters, just like a lot of names on Floyd's resume.

But I digress, it's simply people hating on Floyd's resume because it is active. Most of the fighters on it have not retired and have plenty of fights left in them to solidify their legacies to help Floyd's.

[Vladimir303]

this is one of the weakest era's in boxing. Mayweather is just a safety first borefest like Sven Ottke. If he beats Ricky 'leads with his face' Hatton it means nothing. History wont be kind to gayweather.

LMAO at the comparison between Sven Ottke and Floyd Mayweather.
From what I hear Sven Ottke has gotten alot of hometown decisions swung his way which is why he retired. He was lucky to retire undefeated and is not a great fighter. His country can say he is great but he is not.

[RodBarker]

You probably think Floyd Mayweather is exciting to watch.

It depends if your a student of boxing or you just like a fight , what he does is as great as Marciano breaking ribs .

[AntonTheMeh]

I think you missed my point... or I didn't state it clearly.

THe problem is we always gorifly the history... even recent history. We give a lot of fighters that ODLH fought a lot of credit regardless of their win/loss. Assuming Floyd fights for 2-4 more years and continues w/ his types of fights his resume will seem very similar to that of ODLH.

Quartey, Vargas, Sturm, etc... a lot of these fighters are looked upon much more highly than they should be. They're solid fighters, just like a lot of names on Floyd's resume.

But I digress, it's simply people hating on Floyd's resume because it is active. Most of the fighters on it have not retired and have plenty of fights left in them to solidify their legacies to help Floyd's.

ok are they better than anybody floyd beat?

[me2007]

From what i've seen Mayweather gets hometown decisions also, which is why he never goes abroad to fight in case one of the judges has the nerve to score a round against him.

Mayweather is going to be exposed in December. Even if he wins on a cuts decision, he still morally loses every time he fights by running

[AntonTheMeh]

Floyd's Resume.

2007-05-05 150 Oscar De La Hoya 154 38-4-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Kenny Bayless | judge: Chuck Giampa 116-112 | judge: Jerry Roth 115-113 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 113-115 ~
~ WBC light middleweight title ~

2006-11-04 146 Carlos Manuel Baldomir 147 43-9-6

Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Jay Nady | judge: Chuck Giampa 120-108 | judge: John Keane 120-108 | judge: Paul Smith 118-110 ~
~ WBC welterweight title ~
~ IBO welterweight title ~
~ International Boxing Association welterweight title ~

2006-04-08 146 Zab Judah 145½ 34-3-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Richard Steele | judge: Glen Hamada 119-109 | judge: Dave Moretti 116-112 | judge: Jerry Roth 117-111 ~
~ IBF welterweight title ~
~ vacant IBO welterweight title ~

2005-11-19 147 Sharmba Mitchell 145¼ 56-4-0

Rose Garden, Portland, Oregon, United States W TKO 6 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:06 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Greg Baker | judge: Duane Ford | judge: Jim Howard ~
Mitchell down once in Rounds 3 and 6.

2005-06-25 139 Arturo Gatti 140 39-6-0

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 6 12 Wiki
~ time: 3:00 | referee: Earl Morton | judge: Luis Rivera 60-52 | judge: John Stewart 60-53 | judge: Dave Moretti 60-52 ~
~ WBC light welterweight title ~

2005-01-22 139 Henry Bruseles 138¾ 21-2-1

American Airlines Arena, Miami, Florida, United States W TKO 8 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:55 | referee: Jorge Alonso | judge: Harold Laurens | judge: Gerald Ritter | judge: Peter Trematerra ~
WBC Light Welterweight Title eliminator
Mayweather ahead 70-63, 70-62 and 69-64 going into the 8th, knocked Bruseles down twice and the ringside physician stopped the contest.

2004-05-22 140 DeMarcus Corley 140 28-2-1

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Benjy Esteves Jr. | judge: Melvina Lathan 119-107 | judge: Gale Van Hoy 118-108 | judge: William Boodhoo 119-108 ~
WBC Light Welterweight Title Eliminator
Corley down in 8th and 10th.

2003-11-01 135 Phillip N'dou 134½ 31-1-0

Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:08 | referee: Frank Garza | judge: Guillermo Ayon 59-54 | judge: Harold Laurens 59-54 | judge: Jack Woodburn 60-52 ~
~ WBC lightweight title ~

2003-04-19 134 Victoriano Sosa 134 35-2-2

Selland Arena, Fresno, California, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Raul Caiz | judge: Chuck Hassett 118-110 | judge: Lou Filippo 119-109 | judge: Jack Woodburn 118-110 ~
~ WBC lightweight title ~

2002-12-07 134 Jose Luis Castillo 135 46-5-1

Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Ken Morita 115-113 | judge: Larry O'Connell 116-113 | judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 115-113 ~
~ WBC lightweight title ~

2002-04-20 134 Jose Luis Castillo 134½ 45-4-1

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Vic Drakulich | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 116-111 | judge: John Keane 115-111 | judge: Jerry Roth 115-111 ~
~ WBC lightweight title ~

2001-11-10 129½ Jesus Chavez 129½ 36-1-0

Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 9 12 Wiki
~ referee: Jon Schorle | judge: Lou Filippo 89-82 | judge: Marty Sammon 88-83 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 87-84 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~
Chavez corner stops the bout after the 9th round

2001-05-26 130 Carlos Hernandez 128½ 33-2-1

Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Dale Grable | judge: Peter Trematerra 119-109 | judge: Bob Watson 117-109 | judge: Marty Sammon 116-111 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~
Mayweather suffered first knockdown of his career in the 6th rd; Hernandez penalized 1 point in Rd 12 for elbowing.

2001-01-20 130 Diego Corrales 130 33-0-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 10 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:19 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Jerry Roth 90-79 | judge: John Keane 90-78 | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 89-79 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~
Corrales corner throws in the towel after Diego was knocked down for the fifth time

2000-10-21 134 Emanuel Augustus 134 22-16-4

Cobo Hall, Detroit, Michigan, United States W TKO 9 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:06 | referee: Dale Grable | judge: Chip Acey | judge: Herman McKalpain | judge: Bob Watson ~
Burton cornerman Nelson Lopez climbed through the ropes and implored Grable to stop the fight.

2000-03-18 130 Gregorio Vargas 130 40-6-1

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Richard Steele | judge: Chuck Giampa 118-109 | judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 119-108 | judge: John Keane 119-108 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~

1999-09-11 130 Carlos Gerena 130 34-2-0

Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ referee: Richard Steele | judge: Chuck Giampa 70-61 | judge: Ken Morita 70-61 | judge: Daniel Talon 70-61 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~

1999-05-22 130 Justin Juuko 130 33-2-1

Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 9 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:20 | referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 79-73 | judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 79-73 | judge: John Keane 79-73 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~

1999-02-17 130 Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios 129 44-2-1

Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Dale Grable | judge: Jose J. Guerra 120-110 | judge: Gueremo Perez 119-108 | judge: Bob Watson 120-109 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~

1998-12-19 130 Angel Manfredy 130 25-2-1

Miccosukee Indian Gaming, Miami, Florida, United States W TKO 2 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:47 | referee: Frank Santore Jr. | judge: Jay Kassees | judge: Ken Morita | judge: Dalby Shirley ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~

1998-10-03 130 Genaro Hernandez 130 38-1-1

Las Vegas Hilton, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W RTD 8 12 Wiki
~ referee: Jay Nady | judge: Bob Logist 80-72 | judge: Chuck Giampa 79-73 | judge: Terry Smith 79-73 ~
~ WBC super featherweight title ~

1998-06-14 130 Tony Pep 132 39-6-0

Trump Taj Mahal, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Earl Brown | judge: George Hill 99-91 | judge: Kason Cheeks 100-90 | judge: Calvin Claxton 100-90 ~

1998-04-18 130¼ Gustavo Fabian Cuello 130¼ 20-7-0

Grand Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
1998-03-23 133 Miguel Melo 133 8-1-0

Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, Connecticut, United States W TKO 3 10 Wiki
1998-02-28 130 Sam Girard 132 17-4-1

Bally's Park Place, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
~ referee: Earl Morton ~

1998-01-09 132 Hector Arroyo 133 16-4-2

Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States W TKO 5 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:21 | referee: Fred Steinwinder III ~

1997-11-20 130 Angelo Nunez 133½ 14-11-3

Grand Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 3 0 Wiki
~ time: 2:42 ~

1997-10-14 133½ Felipe Garcia 130 20-18-1

Boise, Idaho, United States W KO 6 8 Wiki
~ time: 2:56 | referee: Jerry Armstrong ~

1997-09-06 131 Louie Leija 132 18-3-1

County Coliseum, El Paso, Texas, United States W TKO 2 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:33 | referee: Jerry McKenzie ~

1997-07-12 130½ Jesus Chavez 130 1-12-1

Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States W TKO 5 6 Wiki
~ referee: Paul Sita | judge: Robert Williams | judge: Keith Hughes | judge: Tommy Kimmons ~
Chavez down in the 4th and 5th rounds. Chavez' record given as 22(12KO)-16.

1997-06-14 132 Larry O'Shields 131¾ 12-3-1

Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas, United States W UD 6 6 Wiki
1997-05-09 129½ Tony Duran 133 12-15-1

Orleans Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 1:12 | referee: Toby Gibson ~
Duran knocked down.

1997-04-12 132 Bobby Giepert 133 19-8-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 1:31 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Carol Castellano | judge: Cinthia Ross | judge: Lou Tabat ~
Giepert down twice. Referee stops the fight after 2nd knockdown.

1997-03-12 132 Kino Rodriguez 130 9-9-2

Stadium Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W TKO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 1:44 | referee: Frank Garza ~
Rodriguez down from a left hook to the body.

1997-02-01 133 Edgar Ayala 131 0-0-0
Swiss Park Hall, Chula Vista, California, United States W TKO 2 4 Wiki
~ time: 1:39 | referee: Chuck Hassett ~
Ayala down in 1st and 2nd rounds. Referee stops the fight without count after knockdown in the 2nd round.
Pro debut for Ayala.

1997-01-18 130 Jerry Cooper 129½ 6-3-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 4 Wiki
~ time: 1:39 | referee: Mitch Halpern ~
Cooper down twice, doesn't answer referee's question whether he's ok the second time, causing the referee to stop the fight, which Cooper immediately starts protesting against.

1996-11-30 131 Reggie Sanders 132½ 1-1-0

Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, New Mexico, United States W UD 4 4 Wiki
~ referee: Larry Chavez | 40-36 | 40-36 | 39-37 ~

1996-10-11 131 Roberto Apodaca


FLOYD'S RESUME.