Calzaghe Wants To Be The Best Brit Ever

[Dynamite Kid]

NOBODY within Middleweight-Light Heavyweight in that era where Jones was in his prime would have beaten him

crillz , i think that is taking a bit to far dont u RJJ might have been unorthadox but there was lot of very diversity in styles aswell in the other champions in the middleweight and smw divisions

Eubank ,McClellan ,Nunn, Benn ,Calzaghe , none of these fighters have the same style and were all awkward in their own way no fighter is invincible mate no one

[jangeorg]

I bet you think Kessler would destroy roy jones too..

Now:Yes
In RRJ`s prime no

Theres only two big names on jones resume that he beat and thats hopkins and toney.

???
What about
John Ruiz,Mike McCallum,Eric Lucas(prime),Thomas Tate etc.

[Dynamite Kid]

Now:Yes
In RRJ`s prime no

Theres only two big names on jones resume that he beat and thats hopkins and toney. 

???
What about
John Ruiz,Mike McCallum,Eric Lucas(prime),Thomas Tate etc.

Ruiz is terrible ,McCallum was in his 40's i think

[WLAD OWNS]

If Calzaghe beats Kessler. and then beats Pavlik and Hopkins he is the best british fighter of all time and one of the greatest fighters of all time.

[crillz]

NOBODY within Middleweight-Light Heavyweight in that era where Jones was in his prime would have beaten him

crillz , i think that is taking a bit to far dont u RJJ might have been unorthadox but there was lot of very diversity in styles aswell in the other champions in the middleweight and smw divisions

Eubank ,McClellan ,Nunn, Benn ,Calzaghe , none of these fighters have the same style and were all awkward in their own way no fighter is invincible mate no one

yes I know but none of them put their hands behind their backs and KO's you right after, not anyone of them used to lunge all the way down to knee level and come back up with a bone shattering blow, you say many in that time were unorthodox but I ask you who was MORE? others were hard to beat due to their slick styles and solid fight regiment's but who was more spontaneous than Roy? put it like this who was faster than Roy back then? even if these guys were the same kind of difficult Roy was faster so he was more rapid with his ****, why you think he could land the type of **** he landed against his toughest opponents? he used ****fighting techniques to drop a PRIME James Toney, who else did that to him? THAT'S what I meant dog cuz even if Roy wasn't so much more unorthodox than many of the guys there he was faster and maybe stronger AND he was doing **** that only HE did, all that ****fighting **** is something he was doing and it was hard to fend off against due to his speed.. THAT'S what I meant. 100

[slicksouthpaw16]

i would pick prime james toney to beat all of them. if you could make a middleweight with every single tool, it would be toney at middle weight. when roy beat him, he was damn near hospitalized and had to be hooked up to ivs from draining his weight. if toney would have stayed in shape for that fight, Roys glass beard would have been exposed right there. just look at how fast and technically sound he was,

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[Dynamite Kid]

yes I know but none of them put their hands behind their backs and KO's you right after, not anyone of them used to lunge all the way down to knee level and come back up with a bone shattering blow, you say many in that time were unorthodox but I ask you who was MORE? others were hard to beat due to their slick styles and solid fight regiment's but who was more spontaneous than Roy? put it like this who was faster than Roy back then? even if these guys were the same kind of difficult Roy was faster so he was more rapid with his ****, why you think he could land the type of **** he landed against his toughest opponents? he used ****fighting techniques to drop a PRIME James Toney, who else did that to him? THAT'S what I meant dog cuz even if Roy wasn't so much more unorthodox than many of the guys there he was faster and maybe stronger AND he was doing **** that only HE did, all that ****fighting **** is something he was doing and it was hard to fend off against due to his speed.. THAT'S what I meant. 100

Glen Kelly is a bum thats why he was allowed to get away with it ,as for Toney RJJ had the style to beat him Toney was a counter puncher and RJJ was to quick for an out of shape Toney ,if Toney was an offensive fighter he may have had more success but his style was made for RJJ

Nunn would have given RJJ hell and he was probably as quick as RJJ and he was a good southpaw ,

[crillz]

Glen Kelly is a bum thats why he was allowed to get away with it ,as for Toney RJJ had the style to beat him Toney was a counter puncher and RJJ was to quick for an out of shape Toney ,if Toney was an offensive fighter he may have had more success but his style was made for RJJ

Nunn would have given RJJ hell and he was probably as quick as RJJ and he was a good southpaw ,

yes but that still doesn't negate my original point of Roy being HIGHLY unorthodox and Toney was IN his prime he wasn't an "out of shape Toney" as you say.. maybe you are right, maybe Nigel Benn would have been too much for Roy but the same way there is doubt for Roy against Benn there's doubt for Calzaghe against Roy ya dig, the fact that these fights never occurred will always leave room for opinion and with opinion there is no fact.. the ONLY facts here is Jones beat Toney and has an unorthodox style especially in his prime where his speed alone would save him in fights where his hands were hurt or whatever else, it was so real he had to be disqualified to lose 1 time until 2004 I think it was when Tarver KO'ed him after a pro career that started back in 89 meaning for 15 years the only way Roy was defeated was by a bull**** call.. he ain't unorthodox? re-think that one there homie.. 100

[Dynamite Kid]

yes but that still doesn't negate my original point of Roy being HIGHLY unorthodox and Toney was IN his prime he wasn't an "out of shape Toney" as you say.. maybe you are right, maybe Nigel Benn would have been too much for Roy but the same way there is doubt for Roy against Benn there's doubt for Calzaghe against Roy ya dig, the fact that these fights never occurred will always leave room for opinion and with opinion there is no fact.. the ONLY facts here is Jones beat Toney and has an unorthodox style especially in his prime where his speed alone would save him in fights where his hands were hurt or whatever else, it was so real he had to be disqualified to lose 1 time until 2004 I think it was when Tarver KO'ed him after a pro career that started back in 89 meaning for 15 years the only way Roy was defeated was by a bull**** call.. he ain't unorthodox? re-think that one there homie.. 100

yes but that still doesn't negate my original point of Roy being HIGHLY unorthodox and Toney was IN his prime he wasn't an "out of shape Toney" as you say.. maybe you are right, maybe Nigel Benn would have been too much for Roy but the same way there is doubt for Roy against Benn there's doubt for Calzaghe against Roy ya dig, the fact that these fights never occurred will always leave room for opinion and with opinion there is no fact.. the ONLY facts here is Jones beat Toney and has an unorthodox style especially in his prime where his speed alone would save him in fights where his hands were hurt or whatever else, it was so real he had to be disqualified to lose 1 time until 2004 I think it was when Tarver KO'ed him after a pro career that started back in 89 meaning for 15 years the only way Roy was defeated was by a bull**** call.. he ain't unorthodox? re-think that one there homie.. 100

i dont think i said he was'nt unorthodox and if i did i did'nt mean to suggest that ,he was 1 of the most unothodox fighters ever

what i was getting at was i thought you said that no Middelweight-Supermiddleweight was capable of beating him back in the day i beg to differ
IMO he was beatable and not as invincable as everyone thought ,by virtue of th fact he is human and fighting other world class fighters that are allowed to punch back ,no fighter is unbeatable IMO RJJ was the best fighter in the division back then but that doesnt mean he would have beaten all in the division ,no way there were some very special fighters back then

RJJ is 1 of my favourite fighters but no fighter is unbeatable and there was
enough quality fighters out there at that time for 1/2 of them to have beaten him IMO ,that does'nt mean he was'nt the best fighter in the division however

[elgaringo]

Benn is a lock for the HOF. Calzaghe is most certainly not

Calzaghe has had a "bum of the the year club" and wasn't even a proper world champion until last year. He's 36. I mean, come on, the guy is a joke

He hasn't fought anyone. Benn fought everyone

on the upside chris eubank, a prime robin reid, omar shika, richie woodall, charles brewer, byron mitchell and lacy were'nt too shabby. neither were the manner of the peformances. Id like to know who benn fought that were soo much better fighters than calzaghes apponents. I love benn. hes was one of my favorite fighters, but calzaghe would have never been beaten by sugar boy malinga. or koed by a jab by watson. sorry. but true.