Rocky marciano over or underrated

[QueenCity]

Over rated, He had an iron chin and had damn good power in his shots, but he wasn't a great boxer. The likes of Ali, Frazier, Holmes would completly take him apart.

[Dark Destroyer]

Joe Louis admitted that Rocky would have beat him even in his prime. Also at 38 yrs old he was 68-2 and was still better than 95% of fighters in history.

Jack Dempsey said Marciano was the hardest puncher in history.

That's pretty good backup from the most reliable sources around.

He also broke a GOOD pro boxer's arms with gloved fists, Roland LaStarza.

He also has the highest KO rate of any heavyweight champion in history with 89%.

While filming the fantasy fight, Rocky actually floored Ali with a body shot and Ali refused to continue until he was offered a bigger cut... he also refused an actual match that Rocky challenged him to. Rocky was in his mid-40's at the time.

When the going got tough he rose to the occasion, EVERY SINGLE TIME. If that isn't heart then I don't know what is. He's been cut, outboxed and floored... always came back with the KO when he needed it. 100% is a flawless record, that means NO ONE found out how to beat him.

He beat a man that was around 250 lbs, undefeated (something like 2-0 or 4-0 I forget) and the man retired after the Rocky fight.

Beat a title contender who was something like 26-0 in just his 4th career fight... he was essentially fed to the lions so his manager could get paid.

He did all of this with the shortest reach of any heavyweight in history.




How is it possible to "overrate" this man? To do so would be on opinion alone when all facts and stats point towards greatness... and if we're talking opinion, I'll take Jack Dempsey's and Joe Louis' over some boxing fans 75 years later.

The best heavyweight fighter of all time.

I respect your take on all of this but i don't agree that he would have beaten Muhammed Ali or Joe Louis dispite what Joe supposedly said. As for Rocky hurting Muhammed Ali in the making of the fight they had i haven't heard that before. Apparently Rocky was that out of shape and unconditioned that he had to lose an adnormal amount of weight. Him and Ali didn't get along to my knowledge and the fight got heated but i have NEVER heard he hurt Ali like that. I have never heard the two facts you stated but the rest i agree with. We all have our own personal judgements on things. I think Rocky was a great fighter but not as great as you make out. As for taking the opinions of fighters it certainly doesn't mean they are right with what they are saying. They can only speculate like we can as we all have opinions on things.

[The Noose]

I think most people rate Louis and Ali above him. Probably underrated, people think hes slow and easy to hit, yet no one could keep him off.

The whole thing about the Ali simulation is ***in bull****. It wasnt real at all, i dont believe for a second that Ali took it seriously, because he APPARENTLY got knockd down with a body shot! Ali took every one of Foremans body shots! A computer simulation in 1969!! WOW, HOW ACCURATE!

[phallus]

The computer predicted that Ali would get caught on the ropes and knocked out somewhere around the 12th round

[Kimmy]

Ali would have beaten Rocky quite easy if they fought in their primes. If Rocky had caught Ali, he would have taken it, AS USUAL!
There is no way the Rock out speeds, out boxes, out footworks Ali, I think Ali might have forced a late cuts stoppage or on points but no way on hell, not in the wildest dream does the italian beat Ali, NO WAY!

[Yogi]

Depends how he's rated in an individual ranking.

I rate him as the 6th greatest heavyweight of all-time, but I'm of the opinion that he'd lose to most guys I rank in the top 10 or top 15, in prime vs. prime matchups involving the greatest heavyweights in history.

He gets that fairly high ranking from me, primarily (but not entirely) because of the historical significance of him being the only undefeated heavyweight champion in history.

[nohero]

I think Joe Louis underestimated himself. Louis had the skill, speed of hand, and power in his prime to mess Marciano up badly. Joe murdered guys who came towards him. He devastated them. If Jersey Joe's left hook could floor Marciano and cut him up, and if Archie Moore's right hand could drop him and give him some trouble, and if Roland LaStarza could give him issues, imagine what the prime fists of combination-punching Louis could do. The fight would be stopped around four or five with Martciano's face a gory mess. Marciano could throw a one-punch kayo, but against top guys he had to grind them down a bit first. I see Louis doing most of the early rounds grinding as he chops Rocky's face to shreds with his combos and jab.

True, this is likely... but when a fighter says he would have been beaten... that means a lot. I also recall a quote from Joe Louis saying that his weakness was always swarmers, he hated fighting them. I'll try to find the quote... can't remember where I saw it.

[hollister]

Watch the first Walcot fight closely. After he was knocked down at the start of the fight, he was punching back, not just following Walcot like alot of people think, and landing to the body, almost punch for punch, as Walcot started to retreat, and continued to do so while Walcot tried to back up and box him. After being nearly blind through the middle rounds, close to the end of the fight, he's still forcing Walcot back, not just chasing him, but still staying close enough to land, almost punch for punchwith Walcot retreating, trying to box him. It's not as most people think, that Walcot battered him for 12 rounds and then he lands a lucky punch, watch the fight again, he was by no means being outclassed or outboxed, he was still in the fight big time, and wouldn't have been beaten up like he was if he had been able to see clearly through the middle of the fight. I can't see Ali easily outboxing him, he might win, but not easily. Walcot moved pretty well, and couldn't move quickly enough to stay out of the rock's punching range, I just don't see it being that easy, and Louis wouldn't run to save his ass against Schmeling, so to me it's a toss up, whoever gets caught with the big one first. The man wasn't that slow, he fought considerably smaller and faster fighters than we have now, no one takes that into account.

[Brotherfromthehoods]

Overrated..no doubt

[dodge]

49-0, underrated.