Why do the haters still underestimate Pavlik ?

[Rudyo]

It's not that most people underestimate Pavlik, he is a good big, powerpunching exciting middleweight. I just think some people are getting a little carried away with his wins thinking he is on the P4P level already.

[Jim Jeffries]

I Jermain Taylor is the ceiling for Kelly Pavlik. Any higher, and he's in over his head.

Jermaine Taylor was considered the best middleweight in the world at the time Pavlik beat him, so I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

[WLAD OWNS]

I think it's you who underestimates how good (yes even at 43) Bernard Hopkins is. Pavlik's skinny 15 year old boy body wouldn't be able to take Bernard's abuse. Every time Jermain went to the body, which wasn't very often, he was effective against Kelly. Hopkins loves getting dirty on the inside with bodyshots. By the 8th round Pavlik's ribcage is going to be so sore, he won't hardly be able to breathe. And Bernard is still an evasive ****. He's still in phenominal condition. He still has an iron chin. He moves real intelligently around the ring, and ties his opponents up when the **** gets too thick. Bernard made mistakes against Taylor that he won't ever make again. No excuses, buy c'mon he was killing Jermain in the second half of the first fight. He should still be the middleweight champion, honestly. Anyway, Bernard Hopkins is not losing to Kelly Pavlik. And take no credit away, but there are fighters in this sport who are too much for him. Jermain Taylor is the ceiling for Kelly Pavlik. Any higher, and he's in over his head.

HOPKINS NUTHUGGER ALERT

[Ray Ray]

I can't believe all the morons on this board that still think Pavlik is a one dimensional brawler who isn't athletic enough to be a long term champ. I made a Pavlik vs Hopkins Poll and to my surprise more people on this board are picking the 43 year old Hopkins over the prime 25 year old monster Pavlik. I guess you Hopkins nuthuggers forgot that Pavlik's ***** Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Pavlik outboxed Taylor and was outjabbing him before he knocked Taylor out. Pavlik is a very smart,versatile and athletic fighter. He is also a monster puncher with a great jab and he is very technically sound.

Pavlik will easily KO the gunshy Taylor in the rematch and then we will have a massive superfight between Pavlik and Hopkins. Hopkins has no chance in this fight, his only victory will be surviving 12 rounds, but that won't happen.

Pavlik vs Taylor ll - Pavlik KO 5

Pavlik vs Hopkins - Pavlik KO/TKO 9

So since my opinion isnt the same as yours you want to go and call people morons. JESUS That's some funny ****. So if I'm a moron you're a nuthugger right??

[WLAD OWNS]

So since my opinion isnt the same as yours you want to go and call people morons. JESUS That's some funny ****. So if I'm a moron you're a nuthugger right??

I am gonna go off the record here, I think the only reason the haters don't give Pavlik props or credit is because he is a White Midwest American.

[Matt Marvelous]

I was refering to potential future opponents for Pavlik like Joe Calzaghe, Winky Wright, and Bernard Hopkins. Not other Middleweights. And, yea, Jermain was the champion, but everyone knew he didn't win those belts on merit. His poor performances after the fact just reinforced everyone's scepticism.

And I'm not even CLOSE to a Hopkins nuthugger. I just don't think Pavlik is good enough to beat the super elite boxers around or just above 160.

[shawn_]

I can't believe all the morons on this board that still think Pavlik is a one dimensional brawler who isn't athletic enough to be a long term champ. I made a Pavlik vs Hopkins Poll and to my surprise more people on this board are picking the 43 year old Hopkins over the prime 25 year old monster Pavlik. I guess you Hopkins nuthuggers forgot that Pavlik's ***** Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins twice. Pavlik outboxed Taylor and was outjabbing him before he knocked Taylor out. Pavlik is a very smart,versatile and athletic fighter. He is also a monster puncher with a great jab and he is very technically sound.

Pavlik will easily KO the gunshy Taylor in the rematch and then we will have a massive superfight between Pavlik and Hopkins. Hopkins has no chance in this fight, his only victory will be surviving 12 rounds, but that won't happen.

Pavlik vs Taylor ll - Pavlik KO 5

Pavlik vs Hopkins - Pavlik KO/TKO 9

Its really quite simple, Pavlik outwardly appears to be slow an uncoordinated, even though that is obviously not the case.

[EliteSoldier]

You do realize you are a Pavlik nuthugger right?

He likes white boys the most, even if he claims to be a fan of Mosley. He loves them white boys

[WLAD OWNS]

He likes white boys the most, even if he claims to be a fan of Mosley. He loves them white boys

Nobody takes anything you say seriously dumbass. You probably have the least credibilty out of anyone on this board. I don't like Pavlik because he is white, I like him because he is the baddest mother****er in boxing at the moment.

[oldgringo]

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