Hatton: "Not a chance in hell Mayweather Beats Me"

[jk4real]

Sometimes I don't understand some of your folks out there... so many people bashing boxers like Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones etc. I would be happy if some1 in Germany fights like that... I would pay money to see that...

I mean boxing is an art, and even if some people don't like to hear it, it's not about KO's, it's about scoring more points than the other... that's boxing... If you think Floyd Mayweather bouts are boring, that's your right, and when you look from exciting point of view, and a point of view that includes the potential that he has, and what he is actually showing of it, I have to admit, that's maybe true... but on the other hand you're people are also never happy... I mean you wanted more serious competition... so he started it... De La Hoya... now Hatton... and next is going to be Cotto or Mosley on the horizon... so I don't know what you want... it's his fault that he won't take chances, but it's not his fault that nobody pushes him to the point where he has to take chances... don't blame him... in boxing you're about 75% of the fight in the defensive side, so don't blame him, that he perfected it, that's smart... and if you think it's boring alright, but this match is on PPV, so you don't have to buy it, and you don't even to have bother on cable, because it's on PPV, so you people don't have to see it, so you should be happy... Floyd is not the greatest, but who is... but Floyd would have given everybody trouble, believe me, if he would have won against them I doesn't know, but he would have been a tough opponent for every1...

Why so disrespectful about Chagaev??? It's funny when I hear about Ibragimov beating Chagaev... but you'll people will see *lol* I mean what has Ibragimov done with the exception of beating Shannon Briggs (the fight was a joke, even a welterweight could have beaten Briggs that Day, and Ibragimov won, but in one of the most unimpressive ways that I'll have ever seen) and than he beat Holyfield on points... nothing against Holyfield... he is experienced, he is rough, he can take a shot... but a heavyweight champion of the world should beat a 45 year old man clear... I don't care if your name is Moorer or Ibragimov *lol*) so I really don't see what this hype is all about, check Chagaev's Amateur career, and you'll know, he can box, he has hell of a chin, can go 12 round, and posesses a very good punch... I would go so far, to say, that Chagaev is the only one that I would give a chance to beat Klitschko at the Moment... I would not even seeing Ibragimov beating Calvin Brock... so Ibragimov is ''a'' heavyweight champ, but not ''the'' heavyweight champ...

[squealpiggy]

"Luis, they may not respect you but I respect you,'' Hatton said of the boxing public. "I won't underestimate you. I know why I'm coming to America. I'm coming to fight.''

So... Hatton fans, no excuses for that Collazo fight. Hatton said he was ready. And that powderpuff busted up Hatton's face and almost KO'd him.

In another topic it was mentioned that Kostya Tszyu's team and Kostya himself both stated that Tszyu was in incredible shape, looked great in sparring and was 100% ready for the fight, and your response was that anything said by a fighter or a trainer before a fight can be taken with a grain of salt. You have also used that philosophy to defend Floyd's lack of offense when he stated that he would knock out Baldomir and De la Hoya. Apparently he was just selling the fight.

So riddle me this: When Hatton says he is not taking a fighter lightly and he subsequently struggles is his pre-fight word gospel, and why when any other fighter has a similar stance is it OK to dismiss their pre-fight comments as either selling the fight or obfuscating their real position?

I agree that there can be no excuses for a professional boxer overlooking any opponent, but I'm just wondering why the lack of consistency in your own opinions. Are your opinions clouded by your irrational hatred of Ricky Hatton or are you so desperate to look like you are right that you're willing to compromise your values to that end?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

In another topic it was mentioned that Kostya Tszyu's team and Kostya himself both stated that Tszyu was in incredible shape, looked great in sparring and was 100% ready for the fight, and your response was that anything said by a fighter or a trainer before a fight can be taken with a grain of salt. You have also used that philosophy to defend Floyd's lack of offense when he stated that he would knock out Baldomir and De la Hoya. Apparently he was just selling the fight.

So riddle me this: When Hatton says he is not taking a fighter lightly and he subsequently struggles is his pre-fight word gospel, and why when any other fighter has a similar stance is it OK to dismiss their pre-fight comments as either selling the fight or obfuscating their real position?

I agree that there can be no excuses for a professional boxer overlooking any opponent, but I'm just wondering why the lack of consistency in your own opinions. Are your opinions clouded by your irrational hatred of Ricky Hatton or are you so desperate to look like you are right that you're willing to compromise your values to that end?

What I just said is that Hatton fans can not use that as an excuse.

You are failing to mention that Hatton fans say that Floyd "lied" about going toe-to-toe with Oscar. But if hatton says that he isn't underestimating Collazo, then that is not a "lie"? How exactly does that work?

I know that guys need to sell the fight. And I also know that Hatton was dealing with travel, media, etc for the first time. I have no problem with a lackluster performance.

But i DO need to point out the hypocrisies when Floyd's pre-fight diatribes are Gospel, but Ricky's pre-fight diatribes are to be overlooked or forgotten.

Look at the title of this thread. How should we take that? Is that "a Promise"?

Didn't I see YOU say that any fan who says that "Ricky has no chance" is essentially an idiot because any fighter always has a chance. Otherwise, why fight? (which I agree with your assertion).

But what I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hattonians. Squizzy, why do you always conveniently overlook that.

[big paulie]

my point in the collazo fight is that hatton, billy graham and kerry kays said that ricky would be stronger and more explosive at ww then said the complete opposite post fight and said the weight was a hindrance

[MindBat]

my point in the collazo fight is that hatton, billy graham and kerry kays said that ricky would be stronger and more explosive at ww then said the complete opposite post fight and said the weight was a hindrance

Does anyone notice a bit of a flip flop here?

[big paulie]

ignore last post. point taken about selling fights!

[Hitman88]

A lot these threads & posts are comical

As with many fans of certain athletes, I suppose it's easy to get caught up in the emotional aspect of predicting the outcome of a fight as opposed to utilizing some form of boxing knowledge in order to accomplish the same feat. Many of you feel Hatton will win simply b/c you either like him as a boxer or you just dislike mayweather jr that much (and pls believe there are many floyd detractors who have a disdain for his brashness and overall ****y demeanor). Neither of those reasons are based on any actual solid reasoning. Hate if you will but mayweather is one of the best pure boxers the sports has seen in the past decade (love it or hate it). As I was explaining to one of my partners, floyd hails from a boxing family (hell, his father & both his uncles were decent fighters who have all gone on to become accomplished trainers in the sport). Mayweather is a boxing prodigy who's been groomed for this platform all his life and not only does he possess the boxing IQ, he also has the natural physical attributes and the work ethic to boot. Those aren't opinions based on emotions folks..those are facts. He's versatile as a boxer and makes in ring adjustments as well as any fighter who's stepped in the ring. If you look at his tougher fights over the years (and many of you like to do so), one factor you can't ignore is that even though he may have dropped the 1st few rds (or those rds couldve gone either way) he always makes the right adjustments & dominates the mid & later rds. Again, that's not wishful thinking that's fact (he did that against castillo, judah & de la hoya). Everybody says he runs but there's a distinct difference between running & boxing (stickin' & movin'..hitting & not getting hit). If you look at the video feeds from two of his previous fights that I've seen in this thread, he stood in the pocket the entire rd in each of 'em & still barely got hit w/ a solid blow..willing to trade shots. This is boxing folks..so at some pt. you're going to get hit but there's a big difference between being stung & being rocked. Ive yet to see mayweather rocked where his legs go and he's stumbling around the ring. The so called knock down against judah had as much to do w/ him being off balance as opposed to him getting hit flush, but if you watch the video of him & corley they were trading non stop shots..toe to toe but did any of you notice how mayweather was smiling and bouncing in his corner at the end of the rd?? The kid's conditioning is phenomenal so even when he gets caught flush w/ a good punch his recooperative abilities are next level.

Hatton may have a puncher's chance in this fight, but from the previous fights Ive seen from him his best assest is pressure. He's not a one punch k-o artist for the most part. I strongly believe he's gonna have to have a plan B b/c you're not gonna pressure & smother floyd into a loss. That same pressure made kosta tszyu quit on his stool but there's a huge difference in conditioning between those two fighters. I challenge anyone to show me a time in floyd's career where he looked visibly winded or sluggish in a fight. The boy's training methods are almost spartan-like and he never allows his wgt to balloon between fights. Therefore, I dont see the pressure or the grab & hold style of hatton being a factor. Again, none of these assertions are based on emotions or biased b/c of preference. You all have to admit hatton isnt going to outbox floyd. Mayweather also has a decisive edge in hand & food speed. He's got a better jab, throws better combo's and has greater punching accuracy (just check the compubox #'s). His conditioning is better cause there have been times Ive seen hatton winded during a fight. Not to mention, I think hatton's ideal wgt class is 140. For some reason, I dont think that pressure style is as effective against bigger fighters from what I saw during the collazo fight (and collazo is not in floyd's class as an elite boxer). He can say all he wants that he wasnt focused or he wasnt in shape for that fight but those excuses are null & void. He's a fighter by trade so it's his responsibility to be prepared for his bouts. His stamina looked pretty good to me in those later rds. He simply got rocked & outboxed by an opponent who was bigger, faster & a slicker boxer than himself; however, he obviously did enough to get the judge's decision. He's going to have to maintain his stamina against mayweather, he's going to have to do more than hit & hold, and he's going to have to be able to do more than just try to pressure floyd b/c mayweather's gone up the 154..he has the edge in fighting naturally bigger guys. Therefore, I dont think he'll be too phased by getting hurt by hatton. I also think he's going to be in the pocket a lot more for this fight because of this factor..moreso willing to trade shots b/c we all know he's got the better hand speed so he's gonna get off first. Lastly, his punching power is deceptive. If you've noticed he's always been able to keep most guys off of him or at least make them think twice about rushing in. Look at the de la hoya fight..once floyd tagged him a few times, he was much more apprehensive about rushing in. Let's just hope for a good fight ya'll. Peace.

Oh yeah, and for anyone who thought that 'lil Dancing with the Stars" activity would be a distraction..I suggest you inspect further. Following a taping of one of the broadcasts, Floyd flew back to Vegas from CA, underwent a full workout, sparred eight rds, then ran 8-10 miles just to fly back to CA the next day for the show. Face it, the boy is NOT gonna tire at any pt during this bout.

[squealpiggy]

What I just said is that Hatton fans can not use that as an excuse.

You are failing to mention that Hatton fans say that Floyd "lied" about going toe-to-toe with Oscar. But if hatton says that he isn't underestimating Collazo, then that is not a "lie"? How exactly does that work?

I know that guys need to sell the fight. And I also know that Hatton was dealing with travel, media, etc for the first time. I have no problem with a lackluster performance.

But i DO need to point out the hypocrisies when Floyd's pre-fight diatribes are Gospel, but Ricky's pre-fight diatribes are to be overlooked or forgotten.

Look at the title of this thread. How should we take that? Is that "a Promise"?

Didn't I see YOU say that any fan who says that "Ricky has no chance" is essentially an idiot because any fighter always has a chance. Otherwise, why fight? (which I agree with your assertion).

But what I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hattonians. Squizzy, why do you always conveniently overlook that.

You know deep down I think we probably come close to agreeing on most things, but I think you go further in your desire to defend Floyd (often unecessarily) than I do for Hatton. At the end of it all I'm backing Hatton to eke out a close decision largely on activity and an intensity that Floyd isn't expecting. I'm not unrealistic about that, I know that such a win will be an upset and I also know that on balance Floyd is better. It doesn't mean he'll be the best man on the night.

I can understand fans of Floyd being defensive, especially following some of the ludicrous criticisms levelled at him from some Hatton fans. I just don't see the benefit to trashing his upcoming opposition regardless of who it is. It is a common theme (and I'm not levelling this at Dios or anyone in particular) among some Floyd fans to absolutely trash Floyd's upcoming opposition up to the fight and to then lionize them afterwards. One example was De La Hoya, who was washed up, past his best, ripe for the picking before the fight and a p4p multi weight champ afterwards... There is a degree of having it both ways.

I don't pretend to speak for any other fans of Ricky Hatton, and opinions that I put forward are purely my own. I'm not trying to "own" anyone, I'm simply engaging in (and enjoying) debate with some obviously very smart people and some obviously very dumb people. If you are reading that last sentence and think that this applies to you then you're brobably right, but I'm not naming names

[Unseen]

Sometimes I don't understand some of your folks out there... so many people bashing boxers like Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones etc. I would be happy if some1 in Germany fights like that... I would pay money to see that...

I mean boxing is an art, and even if some people don't like to hear it, it's not about KO's, it's about scoring more points than the other... that's boxing... If you think Floyd Mayweather bouts are boring, that's your right, and when you look from exciting point of view, and a point of view that includes the potential that he has, and what he is actually showing of it, I have to admit, that's maybe true... but on the other hand you're people are also never happy... I mean you wanted more serious competition... so he started it... De La Hoya... now Hatton... and next is going to be Cotto or Mosley on the horizon... so I don't know what you want... it's his fault that he won't take chances, but it's not his fault that nobody pushes him to the point where he has to take chances... don't blame him... in boxing you're about 75% of the fight in the defensive side, so don't blame him, that he perfected it, that's smart... and if you think it's boring alright, but this match is on PPV, so you don't have to buy it, and you don't even to have bother on cable, because it's on PPV, so you people don't have to see it, so you should be happy... Floyd is not the greatest, but who is... but Floyd would have given everybody trouble, believe me, if he would have won against them I doesn't know, but he would have been a tough opponent for every1...

Why so disrespectful about Chagaev??? It's funny when I hear about Ibragimov beating Chagaev... but you'll people will see *lol* I mean what has Ibragimov done with the exception of beating Shannon Briggs (the fight was a joke, even a welterweight could have beaten Briggs that Day, and Ibragimov won, but in one of the most unimpressive ways that I'll have ever seen) and than he beat Holyfield on points... nothing against Holyfield... he is experienced, he is rough, he can take a shot... but a heavyweight champion of the world should beat a 45 year old man clear... I don't care if your name is Moorer or Ibragimov *lol*) so I really don't see what this hype is all about, check Chagaev's Amateur career, and you'll know, he can box, he has hell of a chin, can go 12 round, and posesses a very good punch... I would go so far, to say, that Chagaev is the only one that I would give a chance to beat Klitschko at the Moment... I would not even seeing Ibragimov beating Calvin Brock... so Ibragimov is ''a'' heavyweight champ, but not ''the'' heavyweight champ...

these is a forum and we can have our views. ****er go make soem mecerdes cars or try and make world war 3 ho ho ho

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

The vitriolic attcks come from which camp, though?


*****, *****, coward, monkey, ******, hoodrat, etc.. .whose fans typically resort to that name-calling?