The Prime Years of Ricky Hatton

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF RICKY HATTON'S RESUME FOLLOWS.

Kostya Tszyu - a very good fighter in his day. Hatton fought the 36 year old version who had three fights since he KO'd Zab Judah four years earlier. In fact, Kostya Tszyu had more surgeries than fights during that time. He was a badly eroded fighter. In the 2+ years since Hatton, KT hasn't fought again. He was clearly on his last legs in Manchester that night.

Freddie Pendleton - a 38 year old journeyman with 25 losses.

Jose Luis castillo - another very good fighter in his day. In his two previous outings before Hatton, he looked crappy: against a journeyman in Reyes, and nearly losing to a 15 fight unknown in Ngoudjo. During the Hatton/castillo bout, the HBO announcing crew, including Manny Steward, pronounced JLC as "absolutely shot". Lampley said "Hatton won't get much credit for that victory because of the way Castillo looked". Those are exact quotes.

Vince Phillips - a 40 year old C-level fighter.

Michael Stewart - a young fighter. Who went on The Contender a couple of years later. Michael is a career-long journeyman who is still fighting 8-rounders.


Juan Urango - A "C" level fighter with 17 wins. None of them meaningful.

Ray Oliveira - a 36 year old journeyman with nine losses. In the fight after Hatton, Oliveira lost to Emanuel Augustus.

Luis Collazo - A light-hitting , slick southpaw. In Ricky's first venture to WW. Ricky was badly hurt late in the fight and did well to gut out the win. Collazo was given much credit for the performance vs hatton. However, Collazo was dominated by Shane Mosley, thereby readjusting Luis' career expectations.

Carlos Maussa - A largely unknown Colombian who KO'd Vivian Harris. After fighting Hatton, Maussa lost to Sugar Manuel Garnica

During the ten years that Hatton has been at 140, Ricky missed fighting any of the following fighters in their primes:

Lazcano
Gatti
Tszyu
Corrales
Castillo
Tszyu
Malignaggi
N'Dou
Judah
Cotto
Corley
Witter
Mayweather (scheduled for Dec 8th, 2007)
Harris
Forbes
Mitchell


...but he found time for a 38 year old Freddie Pendleton and a 40 year old Vince Phillips.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Easton and Wiley will say that this is a HoF resume.

[Wiley Hyena]

AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF RICKY HATTON'S RESUME FOLLOWS.

Kostya Tszyu - a very good fighter in his day. Hatton fought the 36 year old version who had three fights since he KO'd Zab Judah four years earlier. In fact, Kostya Tszyu had more surgeries than fights during that time. He was a badly eroded fighter. In the 2+ years since Hatton, KT hasn't fought again. He was clearly on his last legs in Manchester that night.

Freddie Pendleton - a 38 year old journeyman with 25 losses.

Jose Luis castillo - another very good fighter in his day. In his two previous outings before Hatton, he looked crappy: against a journeyman in Reyes, and nearly losing to a 15 fight unknown in Ngoudjo. During the Hatton/castillo bout, the HBO announcing crew, including Manny Steward, pronounced JLC as "absolutely shot". Lampley said "Hatton won't get much credit for that victory because of the way Castillo looked". Those are exact quotes.

Vince Phillips - a 40 year old C-level fighter.

Michael Stewart - a young fighter. Who went on The Contender a couple of years later. Michael is a career-long journeyman who is still fighting 8-rounders.


Juan Urango - A "C" level fighter with 17 wins. None of them meaningful.

Ray Oliveira - a 36 year old journeyman with nine losses. In the fight after Hatton, Oliveira lost to Emanuel Augustus.

Luis Collazo - A light-hitting , slick southpaw. In Ricky's first venture to WW. Ricky was badly hurt late in the fight and did well to gut out the win. Collazo was given much credit for the performance vs hatton. However, Collazo was dominated by Shane Mosley, thereby readjusting Luis' career expectations.

Carlos Maussa - A largely unknown Colombian who KO'd Vivian Harris. After fighting Hatton, Maussa lost to Sugar Manuel Garnica

During the ten years that Hatton has been at 140, Ricky missed fighting any of the following fighters in their primes:

Lazcano
Gatti
Tszyu
Corrales
Castillo
Tszyu
Malignaggi
N'Dou
Judah
Cotto
Corley
Witter
Mayweather (scheduled for Dec 8th, 2007)
Harris
Forbes
Mitchell


...but he found time for a 38 year old Freddie Pendleton and a 40 year old Vince Phillips.

Well maybe together we can make your post a little more objective.

1. Kostya Tszyu. Hatton took the title away from Tszyu in 2005 after a relentless performance. Tszyu who is considered HOF Jr. WW Champion dominated the 140 class for ten years. In his prime he was considered the hardest p4p puncher in the sport and he was avoided by a number of big names, such as Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosely, and Floyd Mayweather Jr. It was Tszyu who knocked Judah out in two, while Judah lost a 12 round decision against Floyd. Hatton finally brought the great Tszyu down, when none of the so called superstars had the balls to touch that fight.

2. Jose Luis Castillo. After a possible HOF career of his own, Castillo was considered a little long in the tooth, but by no means washed up when he fought Hatton. Hatton put down Castillo with body shots, for the first time in his career. The fight was stopped because of a broken rib. This was the same Castillo who plainly defeated Floyd a few years back, but the decision was stolen from him in a controversial fight. However, Floyd did legitimately win the rematch by a unanimous decision.

There now. With those *********s to you original post, maybe we can reach some level of objectivity in your attempt to otherwise **** on Hatton's record.

[Addison]

AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF RICKY HATTON'S RESUME FOLLOWS.

Kostya Tszyu - a very good fighter in his day. Hatton fought the 36 year old version who had three fights since he KO'd Zab Judah four years earlier. In fact, Kostya Tszyu had more surgeries than fights during that time. He was a badly eroded fighter. In the 2+ years since Hatton, KT hasn't fought again. He was clearly on his last legs in Manchester that night.

Freddie Pendleton - a 38 year old journeyman with 25 losses.

Jose Luis castillo - another very good fighter in his day. In his two previous outings before Hatton, he looked crappy: against a journeyman in Reyes, and nearly losing to a 15 fight unknown in Ngoudjo. During the Hatton/castillo bout, the HBO announcing crew, including Manny Steward, pronounced JLC as "absolutely shot". Lampley said "Hatton won't get much credit for that victory because of the way Castillo looked". Those are exact quotes.

Vince Phillips - a 40 year old C-level fighter.

Michael Stewart - a young fighter. Who went on The Contender a couple of years later. Michael is a career-long journeyman who is still fighting 8-rounders.


Juan Urango - A "C" level fighter with 17 wins. None of them meaningful.

Ray Oliveira - a 36 year old journeyman with nine losses. In the fight after Hatton, Oliveira lost to Emanuel Augustus.

Luis Collazo - A light-hitting , slick southpaw. In Ricky's first venture to WW. Ricky was badly hurt late in the fight and did well to gut out the win. Collazo was given much credit for the performance vs hatton. However, Collazo was dominated by Shane Mosley, thereby readjusting Luis' career expectations.

Carlos Maussa - A largely unknown Colombian who KO'd Vivian Harris. After fighting Hatton, Maussa lost to Sugar Manuel Garnica

During the ten years that Hatton has been at 140, Ricky missed fighting any of the following fighters in their primes:

Lazcano
Gatti
Tszyu
Corrales
Castillo
Tszyu
Malignaggi
N'Dou
Judah
Cotto
Corley
Witter
Mayweather (scheduled for Dec 8th, 2007)
Harris
Forbes
Mitchell


...but he found time for a 38 year old Freddie Pendleton and a 40 year old Vince Phillips.

This thread should do well. There's alot here for discussion.

To begin with I'll say that calling former world title holders "C level" fighters is pretty ******* useage.. Objective; I can't quite agree.

Regardless, the majority of people picking Hatton have their focus elsewhere.

This is a style fight.

Hatton is not the GOAT or anything.. But he's managed to ride that mauling style of his right over everybody they've ever put in front of him.

Hatton has proven he can fight all styles effectively.

Mayweather has proven he may have an Achilles Heel..

[RodBarker]

Well maybe together we can make your post a little more objective.

1. Kostya Tszyu. Hatton took the title away from Tszyu in 2005 after a relentless performance. Tszyu who is considered HOF Jr. WW Champion dominated the 140 class for ten years. In his prime he was considered the hardest p4p puncher in the sport and he was avoided by a number of big names, such as Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosely, and Floyd Mayweather Jr. It was Tszyu who knocked Judah out in two, while Judah lost a 12 round decision against Floyd. Hatton finally brought the great Tszyu down, when none of the so called superstars had the balls to touch that fight.

2. Jose Luis Castillo. After a possible HOF career of his own, Castillo was considered a little long in the tooth, but by no means washed up when he fought Hatton. Hatton put down Castillo with body shots, for the first time in his career. The fight was stopped because of a broken rib. This was the same Castillo who plainly defeated Floyd a few years back, but the decision was stolen from him in a controversial fight. However, Floyd did legitimately win the rematch by a unanimous decision.

There now. With those *********s to you original post, maybe we can reach some level of objectivity in your attempt to otherwise **** on Hatton's record.

I dont know wiley , KT was 36 and so was Castillo near abouts ,, thats old and they retired after last fight big paydays and Castillo looked like **** his previous fights and that was 5 yrs after Floyd , as far as calling ex world champs C grade fighters it fits when they are over the hill looking for a last big pay , it will all be revealed on Dec 8 .

Wiley even KTs trainer doesnt speak like he was superman , if you look at KTs resume it has more cans on it than Hattons ,, I mean Hec Lopez exposed Kostya for the future beating Phillips gave him , its right there if you watch that fight ,,, Have you seen Hector Lopez vs KT , if not watch it and see Lopez get robbed , I was there live .

Judah is a better fighter now than 5 yrs ago when KT fought him , Zab was a green skin stepping into the big time , he tried to get KT many times after that fight KT wanted no part of a rematch , I feel probably the same result but if Zab just boxed he could win easy , he dont have the chin to take head on a puncher but he has more skills than KT .

From Johnny Lewis

``Kos (Kostya) and Floyd are different boxers. Kos has to measure his opponents and time them, Floyd can just use speed and reflex - instinctive speed, explosive speed.

``He’s far too fast for Ricky. Kos couldn’t measure the little ****er because he (Hatton) was shifting forward all the time, non-stop, non-stop. That is why I was saying to Kos in the corner that he has to catch the little ****er at the start of the rounds, hit him with the right hand right at the start of the round.

``Floyd doesn’t need to get his timing together like Kos. He has too much speed. He won’t throw right hand leads all the time, I think he’ll get behind his jab, hurt Ricky with counters if Ricky gets beyond his jab, then get behind his jab again and use his speed off of that and go again. It won’t even be a race.’’

``Kos only hurt guys with the right hand when they are at the point of extension on the end of the right hand. Kos isn’t strong! He doesn’t bench press much. It was the extension of the elbow and Ricky wasn’t laying out there long enough.

``Floyd is a strong kid, with Ricky coming in it’ll be double impact. He’ll definitely hurt him with counters. Definitely. Then his speed will come off and play the rounds out. It won’t be a race.’’

[squealpiggy]

AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF RICKY HATTON'S RESUME FOLLOWS.

Why even bother? This is a lie. This "analysis" is not objective. And I don't understand why you have such a determined agenda of diminishing Hatton as a fighter. You do realise that should Hatton lose you will not be able to say **** about the victory because you're already setting it up as a meaningless win over inferior competition?

[damian5000]

While Dios sounds somewhat biased... Some of the facts he posted don't lie (Tszyu was 36...This is all that needs to be said here. It doesn't matter how hard he USED to punch etc..)

I like Hatton. I think he's funny as all hell, and is balls to the wall, but I think Mayweather wins this. And I put my money where my mouth is. I've already got $1000 on Mayweather. I wonder how many here picking Hatton actually have the nuts to put a significant amount on their boy.

[Addison]

While Dios sounds somewhat biased... Some of the facts he posted don't lie (Tszyu was 36...This is all that needs to be said here. It doesn't matter how hard he USED to punch etc..)

I like Hatton. I think he's funny as all hell, and is balls to the wall, but I think Mayweather wins this. And I put my money where my mouth is. I've already got $1000 on Mayweather. I wonder how many here picking Hatton actually have the nuts to put a significant amount on their boy.

I'll definately put a minumum of a few thousand on Hatton. $$$

The odds aren't what they should be yet. But it WILL happen.

Hopefully Hatton fans don't **** up the numbers..


Betting was created for live underdogs.

[damian5000]

I prefer making my money off solid favorites as opposed to live underdogs. The amount of cash I've made the last year doesn't lie. That being said though, I do think Hatton is a live underdog and has some value, but do you agree he's the underdog regardless of betting lines? i.e. Trying to look at this objectively, IF the lines were even and you didn't have a preference as far as character etc...Would you really take Hatton?

[Dynamite Kid]

AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF RICKY HATTON'S RESUME FOLLOWS.

Kostya Tszyu - a very good fighter in his day. Hatton fought the 36 year old version who had three fights since he KO'd Zab Judah four years earlier. In fact, Kostya Tszyu had more surgeries than fights during that time. He was a badly eroded fighter. In the 2+ years since Hatton, KT hasn't fought again. He was clearly on his last legs in Manchester that night.

Freddie Pendleton - a 38 year old journeyman with 25 losses.

Jose Luis castillo - another very good fighter in his day. In his two previous outings before Hatton, he looked crappy: against a journeyman in Reyes, and nearly losing to a 15 fight unknown in Ngoudjo. During the Hatton/castillo bout, the HBO announcing crew, including Manny Steward, pronounced JLC as "absolutely shot". Lampley said "Hatton won't get much credit for that victory because of the way Castillo looked". Those are exact quotes.

Vince Phillips - a 40 year old C-level fighter.

Michael Stewart - a young fighter. Who went on The Contender a couple of years later. Michael is a career-long journeyman who is still fighting 8-rounders.


Juan Urango - A "C" level fighter with 17 wins. None of them meaningful.

Ray Oliveira - a 36 year old journeyman with nine losses. In the fight after Hatton, Oliveira lost to Emanuel Augustus.

Luis Collazo - A light-hitting , slick southpaw. In Ricky's first venture to WW. Ricky was badly hurt late in the fight and did well to gut out the win. Collazo was given much credit for the performance vs hatton. However, Collazo was dominated by Shane Mosley, thereby readjusting Luis' career expectations.

Carlos Maussa - A largely unknown Colombian who KO'd Vivian Harris. After fighting Hatton, Maussa lost to Sugar Manuel Garnica

During the ten years that Hatton has been at 140, Ricky missed fighting any of the following fighters in their primes:

Lazcano
Gatti
Tszyu
Corrales
Castillo
Tszyu
Malignaggi
N'Dou
Judah
Cotto
Corley
Witter
Mayweather (scheduled for Dec 8th, 2007)
Harris
Forbes
Mitchell


...but he found time for a 38 year old Freddie Pendleton and a 40 year old Vince Phillips.

give it a rest Dios see whta i mean another Biased thread intended to discredit Hatton's opostion ,the only person with a fixation is you get a life