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  • Wiley Hyena
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    Objectively sizing up Floyd

    I am favoring Hatton to win, but it's going to be a close contest. Mayweatherites don't mind if you pick Hatton to win, but it drives them insane when you justify your opinion with reasons. I did that and have been called an *******, a f a g, dumb, ******, young, ignorant on boxing, etc....

    Being called names doesn't bother me...it's laughable to be honest, because it just betrays the maturity level of some of the Floyd fanboys. But, what irritates is when some of the normally reasonable and knowledgable Mayweatherites either ignore blatant facts, or engage in historical revisionism.

    Let's look at the three objective criticisms regarding Floyd:
    1. Cherrypicking opponents. After Floyd left 130, this point is all too obvious. You have to be biased to argue against it. Why not just admit it and go on? Instead, I've read posts falsely arguing that Mitchell, Corley, and N'dou represented boxing's best, and posts even going so far as to assert that Kostya Tszyu actually ran from Floyd!
    2. Runs from opponents in the ring. A debatable issue. Floyd is a defensive master and his game is primarily designed to win fights without getting hit. To boxing afficionados, this is a great example of the fine art of boxing. To people who like to watch action packed fights, it's boring, and to others it's just plain chicken****. Had he truly fought the best, I would be perfectly willing to give Floyd a pass on this one. But, he hasn't, so I remain skeptical.
    3. Overhypes his importance to boxing. Floyd claims to be the greatest of, not just his generation, but of all time as well! Many of his fans take this to heart. In reality, the jury's still out on both issues. So, it is probably true that Floyd is overhyped at least up to now.

    These are my main points of criticism, but the most concerning is issue number 1. In Hatton, there is a reasonable probability that Floyd has finally picked the wrong cherry. That's why this fight is important to boxing. IF Floyd knocks Hatton out, I will quickly revise all I've said here. IF Floyd wins by another chicken run decision, nothing is resolved. Of course, if Hatton wins by any means, the Floyd legacy will be popped like a birthday balloon and leave alot of red faces among his faithful.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
    That's why this fight is important to boxing. IF Floyd knocks Hatton out, I will quickly revise all I've said here. IF Floyd wins by another chicken run decision, nothing is resolved. Of course, if Hatton wins by any means, the Floyd legacy will be popped like a birthday balloon and leave alot of red faces among his faithful.
    Soooo, to be clear:

    Hatton should win "by any means". But Floyd should only win by knockout?

    Please verify.

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      #3
      No-one gave Honeygan a chance either............

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      • Wiley Hyena
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        #4
        Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
        Soooo, to be clear:

        Hatton should win "by any means". But Floyd should only win by knockout?

        Please verify.
        Verify what? I will stand by what I said. It's Floyd's legacy that is at issue in this match. If Hatton wins by knockout, TKO, SD, or UD, Floyd's legacy is changed. Floyd has to win by KO to clarify the questions I have about him. A TKO stoppage has to be evaluated conditionally because depends on how it is done...ie...stoppage on Hatton cuts may not get him there. I think you know what I'm talking about.
        Last edited by Wiley Hyena; 10-12-2007, 01:51 PM.

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        • gigogreco
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          #5
          Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
          Verify what? I will stand by what I said. It's Floyd's legacy that is at issue in this match. If Hatton wins by knockout, TKO, SD, or UD, Floyd's legacy is changed. Floyd has to win by KO to clarify the questions I have about him. A TKO stoppage has to be evaluated conditionally because depends on how it is done...ie...stoppage on Hatton cuts may not get him there. I think you know what I'm talking about.
          thats just plain ******, now you may have your opinion, but floyd does not have to win by ko, a win is a win, whether its done by slugging, huggin or running..

          his resume can easely be debated, but its hardly what you make it out to be..

          and if you wanna talk cherry picking, then look no further then the hugman hatton..

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          • DIOS DOMINICANO
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            #6
            Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
            Verify what? I will stand by what I said. It's Floyd's legacy that is at issue in this match. If Hatton wins by knockout, TKO, SD, or UD, Floyd's legacy is changed. Floyd has to win by KO to clarify the questions I have about him. A TKO stoppage has to be evaluated conditionally because depends on how it is done...ie...stoppage on Hatton cuts may not get him there. I think you know what I'm talking about.
            I wanted to to verify (rather, clarify) that only a scintillating KO would demonstrate to you that PBF is superior to Hatton. Which, btw, runs counter to all your previous statements.

            You have said that Hatton has the style to beat PBF. You said that Hatton has the footspeed and that he will be all in Floyd's chest. Ricky said the same.

            Everybody knows how and what Floyd does. No surprises there. We have all seen his fights. Graham said that he has been following Floyd for years formulating this gameplan. If Hatton doesn't beat Floyd, it is because Hatton CAN'T beat Floyd. Period.

            So if Hatton loses, NO EXCUSES. You can't claim any pyrrhic victories for a decision loss or a stoppage on cuts. This is boxing.

            Similarly, I will have ZERO excuses for however Floyd loses.

            Side note: Hatton is a top ten p4p fighter. Who is the bigger man. Remember that.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
              Verify what? I will stand by what I said. It's Floyd's legacy that is at issue in this match. If Hatton wins by knockout, TKO, SD, or UD, Floyd's legacy is changed. Floyd has to win by KO to clarify the questions I have about him. A TKO stoppage has to be evaluated conditionally because depends on how it is done...ie...stoppage on Hatton cuts may not get him there. I think you know what I'm talking about.
              Make no mistake: Ricky's legacy is ALSO at stake. And he has said so himself.

              Right now, Ricky is rated as high as he ever has been. If he wins, he will move up and get the stamp of greatness. If RH loses, he will fall off the P4P list.

              Without RH, Floyd already has a HoF legacy.
              Without FM, Ricky does NOT have a HoF legacy.

              True Story.

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              • KoolWillie
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                nah no matter what happenends there will be excuses every great fighter has there critics, I just cant wait come december i've through a hundred times over and over again from when floyd was fighting, judah baldomir oscar and even before that i give up on replying too these king of threads because everyone thinks there a ****ing boxing historian.... and when it comes too fight night and floyds victorious which he has been in all of his 38 fights all the blokes who start these kind of threads are starting more threads on why boxings P4P1 isnt good enough and blah blah blah im ****ing over it

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                • DIOS DOMINICANO
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MayweatherJR
                  nah no matter what happenends there will be excuses every great fighter has there critics, I just cant wait come december i've through a hundred times over and over again from when floyd was fighting, judah baldomir oscar and even before that i give up on replying too these king of threads because everyone thinks there a ****ing boxing historian.... and when it comes too fight night and floyds victorious which he has been in all of his 38 fights all the blokes who start these kind of threads are starting more threads on why boxings P4P1 isnt good enough and blah blah blah im ****ing over it
                  This thread is pretty transparent. It is a panic-laden attempt to plant some excuses for when Hatton loses.

                  Here are some of the excuses I expect:

                  1) Floyd said he would go toe-to-toe and all he did was run.

                  2) Floyd did not knock him out.

                  3) P4P should knock his opponents out.

                  4) Ricky got cut. If the doctor didn't stop it......

                  5) If the referee had let Ricky fight inside.....

                  6) Ricky hurt Floyd's ribs in round 5. hahahahah lmao bitchboi floyd.

                  7) Floyd made Ricky fight at 147. At 140, Ricky would have....

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                  • Wiley Hyena
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                    Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                    This thread is pretty transparent. It is a panic-laden attempt to plant some excuses for when Hatton loses.

                    Here are some of the excuses I expect:

                    1) Floyd said he would go toe-to-toe and all he did was run.

                    2) Floyd did not knock him out.

                    3) P4P should knock his opponents out.

                    4) Ricky got cut. If the doctor didn't stop it......

                    5) If the referee had let Ricky fight inside.....

                    6) Ricky hurt Floyd's ribs in round 5. hahahahah lmao bitchboi floyd.

                    7) Floyd made Ricky fight at 147. At 140, Ricky would have....
                    Like I said, I will give credit where credit is due. Another chicken run decision will not clarify anything regarding Floyd. We will have to wait for the fight.

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