Further reflections on Pacquiao/Barrera II

[ßringer]

Oh he did. His handlers sure ****ed up on that.

Aside from Marquez, I don't know of anybody else I want to see fight Pacquiao except maybe Michael Katsidis. I thought Marquez won the first fight, since Pac only took the first 3 rounds but those knockdowns put Juan down a lot, so I agreed with the draw.

Katsidis isn't the most technical fighter out there but he has the heart and firepower to match Pacquiao in what would be a war for the ages. Pacquiao probably will never fight him though because Katsidis is still rather unknown.

Guzman is a hype job if I've ever seen one, the next Rey Bautista if you ask me. Meaning he'll get KTFO when he steps up his level of competition. Nothing Guzman has done warrants him a shot at Pacquiao in my eyes, Katsidis has earned it more.

[JaNnO]

Barrera was not running all night, he was just fighting at angles. He was always on the right side of Pacquiao, Pacquiao didn't want to engage enough to score the KO. The same way Barrera didn't want to engage enough to give himself a chance to win.

Did you just forget what you've just written in your original post?

"Instead what we saw was Pacquiao's inability to catch Barrera with anything solid while chasing him around the ring all night, and Barrera's inability to let his hands go."

As you stated, MAB was running away from Pac and his punches. Enough said.

I'm a true boxing fan and I'm happy Marco still has his health, I'm merely stating that everything this fight was billed as was not the case. It was neither a war nor a technical battle, and it disappointed almost everybody. As for Manny's boxing abilities, I'd hold off on that assumption until he rematches Marquez.

Is it just me, or you have a short memory? I noticed that you seem to contradict yourself.

"Manny Pacquiao won because he got another technical victory over a Mexican legend."

I will make a good guess and I bet majority of the Filipinos were not disppointed in this fight.

[JaNnO]

Guzman is a hype job if I've ever seen one, the next Rey Bautista if you ask me. Meaning he'll get KTFO when he steps up his level of competition. Nothing Guzman has done warrants him a shot at Pacquiao in my eyes, Katsidis has earned it more.

At least, we agree on this one.

[joepal]

Aside from Marquez, I don't know of anybody else I want to see fight Pacquiao except maybe Michael Katsidis. I thought Marquez won the first fight, since Pac only took the first 3 rounds but those knockdowns put Juan down a lot, so I agreed with the draw.

Katsidis isn't the most technical fighter out there but he has the heart and firepower to match Pacquiao in what would be a war for the ages. Pacquiao probably will never fight him though because Katsidis is still rather unknown.

Guzman is a hype job if I've ever seen one, the next Rey Bautista if you ask me. Meaning he'll get KTFO when he steps up his level of competition. Nothing Guzman has done warrants him a shot at Pacquiao in my eyes, Katsidis has earned it more.

Yep, Guzman is a hype job. Of course, everybody wants a Katsidis-Pacquiao fight more than anything in the world.

[ßringer]

Did you just forget what you've just written in your original post?

"Instead what we saw was Pacquiao's inability to catch Barrera with anything solid while chasing him around the ring all night, and Barrera's inability to let his hands go."

As you stated, MAB was running away from Pac and his punches. Enough said.

Pacquiao was chasing Barrera in the early rounds, as the fight wore on the distance was closed by the 6th. Half of the fight Barrera opted to stay away, the other half he was in reach and Pacquiao douln't pull the trigger. Whether it was a matter of stamina or weight, I don't know but that's how I saw it.

Is it just me, or you have a short memory? I noticed that you seem to contradict yourself.

"Manny Pacquiao won because he got another technical victory over a Mexican legend."

I will make a good guess and I bet majority of the Filipinos were not disppointed in this fight.

You clearly misunderstood me there. By "technical victory" I don't mean Pacquiao displayed a technical craft and clearly outboxed Barrera. I mean he scored a technical victory simply by showing up, meaning anything he would've done would've still won him the fight because Barrera was not there to engage. I didn't mean technical as in it was a technical battle, simply relating to the fact that Pac qould've won anyway the fight went.

At least, we agree on this one.

The Guzman nutsucking around here is insane, what has the guy done anyway? Nobody can answer that, they just say he's so talented he'll outclass Pac and that's it. Guzman's hype job is equally as upsetting as Bautista's was. Pacquiao would probably shred him within 4 rounds.

[ßringer]

Yep, Guzman is a hype job. Of course, everybody wants a Katsidis-Pacquiao fight more than anything in the world.

Neither fighter would ever be the same if you ask me. It would be one of those fights that fight fans would talk about forever, and if Pacquiao won it it would definitely put him fast track to becoming a legend. Every legend needs that one classic battle which defines him, and I think Katsidis is that guy for Pac.

[heder]

Disgraceful fight on both fighter's parts. It takes two to tango, that's all I'm saying.

sounds like a heartbroken mexiCant

if anyone is disgraceful it's marco with the hitting on the break to save his ass from a ko.
and even before the fight marco gave us a clue that he was going out cowardly
"I’ve given everything to this sport and I don’t want to get hurt at the end so I will try my best and if it doesn’t work out, I’ve had a great career."
you're fighting the pac man and you don't want to get hurt how you gonna do that? oh yeah by running. this fight was all about the payday marco knew he didn't have the will to win but he did have the WILL TO RUN. that's all for now

[ßringer]

this guy is a heartbroken mexiCant

if anyone is disgraceful it's marco with the hitting on the break to save his ass from a ko.
and even before the fight marco gave us a clue that he was going out cowardly
"I’ve given everything to this sport and I don’t want to get hurt at the end so I will try my best and if it doesn’t work out, I’ve had a great career."
you're fighting the pac man and you don't want to get hurt how you gonna do that? oh yeah by running. this fight was all about the payday marco knew he didn't have the will to win but he did have the WILL TO RUN. that's all for now

Anybody who knows me knows I'm as white as snow. So your argument there just fell on it's face before it even started. And if Marco gave us clues before the fight, then you should've expected all of that, no?

And as I've said before, I'd rather him lost the fight in the fashion he did, than risk his health just to please me. He has a family and I understand there is life outside of boxing. Something you don't seem to grasp.

[Steak]

people overuse the word running so much its ridiculous. Barrera was using angles and focusing on defense, thats what you gotta do against a guy with Pacquiao, especially if youre a beat up veteran at the end of your career. I honestly thought this fight was pretty good. I imagined Marco fighting a Juarez II type fight, and it turned out there was some actually pretty decent exchanges. Pacquiao said that Barrera actually had him hurt in the 5th round.

When Pacquiao actually really pushed the pace, Barrera would start fighting in the pocket and counter, even though his corner hated him for it...must be instinct, haha

it certainly could have been better, but I enjoyed the fight nonetheless.

[ßringer]

people overuse the word running so much its ridiculous. Barrera was using angles and focusing on defense, thats what you gotta do against a guy with Pacquiao, especially if youre a beat up veteran at the end of your career. I honestly thought this fight was pretty good. I imagined Marco fighting a Juarez II type fight, and it turned out there was some actually pretty decent exchanges. Pacquiao said that Barrera actually had him hurt in the 5th round.

When Pacquiao actually really pushed the pace, Barrera would start fighting in the pocket and counter, even though his corner hated him for it...must be instinct, haha

it certainly could have been better, but I enjoyed the fight nonetheless.

I hated Barrera's corner, I don't think his brother knows **** about boxing or how to win a fight. I'm not the outcome would've been different if Rudy Perez had been there, but it certainly would've changed the pace of the fight a bit.