Scoring in the Pavlik fight....

[Stromprophet]

Yeah, I felt even though Taylor was ducking a few punches the compubox numbers were misleading. Taylor has a really high connect percentage for the bout, but I thought a lot, a lot of his punches were just barely getting there or being smothered, picked off, or just glancing blows.

The reach for one thing, it seemed like Taylors punches just weren't actually connecting cleanly, the compubox numbers say he land 65% of his power shots, but I contend a lot of those blows landed on gloves.

The reason for my scoring is Pavlik landed the cleaner more powerful shots for the entire fight. I think Hopkins always said, it's about who lands the more telling blows when it comes to scoring.

I score for defense too, but if you look at the punch stats it looks like neither man had a great defense. So I just took that out period because Taylor really wasn't avoiding that many punches (not like you would score for winky or toney when they are showing real defensive skills)

Even Taylor and Emanual thought they were behind in the bout.

[bluemax]

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that Taylor was ahead on the cards. Yes! In reality he WAS losing the fight, he thought so and so did his corner, BUT! Fights have been fixed to some degree for years. Did anyone really think Taylor won all of his last 5 fights?? You got to give the champion the benefit of the doubt is what I heard about Taylor's last wins(or draw) yet Hopkins didn't get that benefit when he fought Taylor the first time but then again Taylor was HBO's fighter and they controlled him but Hopkins was not. Pavlik could have only won that fight by stopping Taylor and the judges scored proved that at best if Taylor had gotten up and got the tar kicked out of him the rest of the fight at best Pavlik could have hoped for was a draw. With the amount of money made and lost with championships you better believe these judges know what's up and if they want to keep working they need to be wearing their rose colored glasses.Taylor was matched with smaller lighter guys since winning the championship and after meeting a young real middleweight who can punch you saw why. Taylor will move up in weight now to Super Middleweight be set up with cherry picked light punching blown up middleweights and will once again challenge for a title after padding his come back record. It will be interesting to see just who they pick on for his next title shot.

[deuce_drop]

the official scoring was a travesty, it just proves what i've said about taylor being a protected HBO fighter, and makes all his others fights that were close a farce, especially his wins over hopkins, but that chapter has now been closed thanks to pavlik.

i had pavlik leading 57-56 going into the 7th, dan rafael is a complete tit if that is how he scored the fight, and anyone else who scored the fight that much in taylors favor. that would be like scoring 11 rounds to 0 for trinidad against hopkins leading up to the 12 round before tito got ko'd, bull****. i know no one scored the fight like that but it would be something that ridiculous.

i've watched that fight about 10 times now and there is no way that i could find to give taylor more than the 2nd and 5th round albeit a 2 point 2nd round but that is it, taylor was being protected again, it seems like all taylor has to do is make it to the final bell and he's got the fight in the won or they will make it a draw like then did against winky. bull****.

this further strengthens my point on that taylor is and was a protected fighter. and all that talk about taylor fighting calzaghe, this fight further illustrates my point that taylor wasn't ready for a fight with clazaghe, because calzaghe is far too experienced and would maul taylor like he did lacy.

[RAESAAD]

I had it 3-3 with Taylor up a point due to the 2nd round KO....what the judges were seeing I have no idea.

[kayjay]

i really depend on how you are scoring the fight..

an example..

pavlik connects with 25 shots, taylor only 20..

pavlik misses 50, taylor missed 25..

now what people tend to forget, that boxing is equally a sport, where the defensive plays a big role..

fans looks at, pavlik going forward, pavlik trowing a serious number of punches, and in some rounds out landing taylor by a fraction.. to the fan the agressor, the man throwing punches, seems like the man in control, but that wasnt the case for me..

i had taylor up by 2, going into round 7

You don't get points by not throwing punches. If I try to hit you and miss, but you don't counter, have you beaten me somehow?

But what you're saying is even worse. If I throw four punches and land two, and you respond by jabbing me in the gut one time, you think you've beaten me?

That's insane. Defense is sometimes overrated on here, but usually not in scoring.

Your way would make boxing into figure skating

[Easy-E]

I had Taylor up clearly when I watched it the first time, but the second time seemed closer. (Maybe just because I was looking for Pavlik to throw the significant punches because I knew the end result)

[Mishra100]

I had pavlik winning by 1 point and could have been okay with a draw.