If Floyd Finishes Hatton and does it impressively......

[Fox McCloud]

So are you happy to see top fighters fight ****ty opposition then?
I think Floyd , Bernard , RJJ , Calzaghe etc are all good fighters but I think as fans we have been short changed by their unwillingness to fight each other on the basis of Money.
We all know how fighters argue over who gets the top dollar.
A ruling that gave the champ 60% and the challenger 40% would end all arguments.
And none title fights 50/50 would end all **** match ups I guarentee it.
I give credit where credit is due.
But I can't buy into Hype.

I just want to know your solution. Because you have never responded back to a single post of mine saying X fighter is good. I am thoroughly convinced that you don't think anyone is good enough for the top fighters to fight. If they are good enough today, they are not after they lose. Proven fighters are too old. Young fighters are too unproven. Can't win with you.

[MelMel]

Your opinions don't matter, douche bags. Self-absorption.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

God i hate bashing a guy with such great avatars, but...

First off, the guy said SINCE Castillo. Why can't you get that Dios? Let's focus on just that for a moment. SINCE Castillo, Floyd really hasn't beat anyone of note! Of those with any quality at all he did beat-DLH,Judah, Floyd didn't look all that great. Facts Dios.

Now, you say "What about Hatton". My wife does the same **** everytime we agrue. It's called changing the subject to avoid the issue. What does Floyd's resume have to do with Hatton or Calzaghe? Floyd's resume was created by Floyd, period. He chose his opposition. The funny thing about resumes in boxing is they speak for themselves.
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1) it's not changing the subject. It is called a relative analysis. When you are looking to hire somebody, you compare the two resumes. When you are deciding who to vote into the HoF, you compare the candidates. When you are considering who to rank in the p4p, you compare their accomplishments.

Unfortunately, boxing is not like baseball or basketball where everybody plays the same competition. In baseball, you can say team A is better than team B simply because they have the better record. They earned that right.

Boxing is more like college football. So I'm required to do a BCS-type analysis where I take into account "strength of schedule"... nahmean?

2) It is unfair to say "let's take this three year span where PBF fought subpar opposition" and focus on that. NOBODY WANTED TO SEE FLOYD AGAINST TOP GUYS MORE THAN ME. But Hatton turned him down. Twice. Cotto turned him down, Tszyu was a promotional/TV barrier.

And during that span, he moved up TWO weight classes.

Nearly every top fighter you can name in the modern era had a span of time where his competition was soft. That is the nature of the sport now. Who has SSM fought since his last Winky fight? Who did hatton fight the first eight years of his career? Who did Oscar fight between Pernell and Quartey? Such is the sport we love.

And I still maintain that on may 5th, Oscar Delahoya would have beaten damn near every WW, and he would have demolished Ricky Hatton and anybody that Ricky Hatton has ever fought.

I'm gonna miss you, Assassin.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

There is a problem of top fighter taking the easy fights in order to prolong their reign. I agree, My hope is that the next generation will see the error of that for their own legacy's.

Easton...correct your sig. Our bet is serious. Do not welch. A man only has his word.

[Easton Assassin]

Fact: You're downplaying DLH. He might not be the Oscar he once was, but he's still up there with the best in the world.



The truth is simple.... neither has a weak resume. Floyd has a fantastic resume while Hatton has a sound one. Floyd's resume even since Castillo is damn good. To suggest Floyd's is anything but is simply foolish.

As for the fight in hand and about the OP...

I'd love to see Floyd knock Hatton out. Not because I like Floyd or overly dislike Hatton, but rather I want to see the better man win impressively. Odds are Floyd will be on his bike most of the night and score a pretty wide UD... but what's the fun in that? I want to see him stand toe to toe a few rounds, move when needed, and try to be a boxer puncher like he once was.

I disagree. If Brusseles,Corely, Mitchell,Gatti,N'dou,Judah,and DLH is consideres a solid resume then what the hell would you call a bad resume for a p4p kingpin?

Brusseles-Can't even think of a logical way to descibe this as valid.

Corely-B level guy.

Mitchell-held title while Tzsyu was doing whatever the hell he was doing. In that time he beat absolutley no one! was summarily destroyed upon Tzsyu's return.

Gatti-Can anyone Honestly debate how far gone Gatti was? add to that he was never an A fighter, he had a career strictly based on his ability to absorb punishment and show heart.

Ndou-again, watch the fight. see how ndou wasn't even looking at Floyd when floyd was throwing? He was C level aswell.

Judah-Jesus, if i start there it will never end!

Dlh-Best name on Floyd's resume. Fought at 154. Great, but lets see. DLH was never a force outside the welterweight division. How long ago was that? Sturm and Hopkins proved DLH was way over his limit and should never have competed at middle. He Beat Vargas(wow) and Mayorga(double wow) and thats it! How does that equate to almost as good as he once was?


sorry so long, but Floyd's reume isn't solid and neither is Hattons.

Now at 130, Floyds resume is very solid, but thats another floyd in another time!

[Dirt E Gomez]

WHOLE POST

Then I pose to you 1 very simple question.

If a resume of the last 4 years is the only way you decide p4p... who is currently #1 if Floyd is not?

Being able to pick apart his opponents in meaningless ways doesn't somehow make others' better.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Then I pose to you 1 very simple question.

If a resume of the last 4 years is the only way you decide p4p... who is currently #1 if Floyd is not?

Being able to pick apart his opponents in meaningless ways doesn't somehow make others' better.

My point exactly.

When is the last time that Manny Pac beat a top fighter in his prime...



Go!!

[Easton Assassin]

1) it's not changing the subject. It is called a relative analysis. When you are looking to hire somebody, you compare the two resumes. When you are deciding who to vote into the HoF, you compare the candidates. When you are considering who to rank in the p4p, you compare their accomplishments.

Unfortunately, boxing is not like baseball or basketball where everybody plays the same competition. In baseball, you can say team A is better than team B simply because they have the better record. They earned that right.

Boxing is more like college football. So I'm required to do a BCS-type analysis where I take into account "strength of schedule"... nahmean?

2) It is unfair to say "let's take this three year span where PBF fought subpar opposition" and focus on that. NOBODY WANTED TO SEE FLOYD AGAINST TOP GUYS MORE THAN ME. But Hatton turned him down. Twice. Cotto turned him down, Tszyu was a promotional/TV barrier.

And during that span, he moved up TWO weight classes.

Nearly every top fighter you can name in the modern era had a span of time where his competition was soft. That is the nature of the sport now. Who has SSM fought since his last Winky fight? Who did hatton fight the first eight years of his career? Who did Oscar fight between Pernell and Quartey? Such is the sport we love.

And I still maintain that on may 5th, Oscar Delahoya would have beaten damn near every WW, and he would have demolished Ricky Hatton and anybody that Ricky Hatton has ever fought.

I'm gonna miss you, Assassin.

First. This is not BSC. It is boxing and the old saying still rings true! "TO be the man, you gotta beat the man".

Floyd since gaining the p4p kingpin status has done everything BUT BEAT THE MAN.


To say that DLH would have beat any ww in the world that night is just crazy. For Christ sakes, he gassed in the 7th. Floyd didn't BEAT OSCAR THAT NIGHT-He SURVIVED OSCAR. Big difference.


It is illogical to say FIGHTER A BEATS FIGHTER B without considering all the nuances that make up a fight. It is a generalization of the worst kind.

Dios, the truth is, If i win, I won't hold you to the bet. It will be much more fun to let you stay and remind you from time to time of my superior intellect. That said, if Hatton loses-I will get thee hence as the power of Christ would compel me to do so!

until then the sig stays! I am no Welcher of bets. I am however very long and strong and down to get the friction on with that chick in your avatar!

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

First. This is not BSC. It is boxing and the old saying still rings true! "TO be the man, you gotta beat the man".

Floyd since gaining the p4p kingpin status has done everything BUT BEAT THE MAN.
!

You backed yourself into a corner.

Who was "the man" at 147? Baldomir. Floyd beat him.
Who was "the man" at 147 BEFORE Baldomir? Zab Judah. Floyd beat him, too.

As of May 2007, who would you say were the best fighters available at 154?

[Easton Assassin]

Then I pose to you 1 very simple question.

If a resume of the last 4 years is the only way you decide p4p... who is currently #1 if Floyd is not?

Being able to pick apart his opponents in meaningless ways doesn't somehow make others' better.

First off, i am not comparing Floyd's resume to anyones. It is Dios doing the comparisons here.


I'd pick Pac as 1 atm, depending on the outcome of Hatton/Mayweather and Calzaghe /kessler that could change.

I really don't do p4p lists but i would put floyd 4th or 5th on mine and that would be generous!

Second, Floyd is not at 130 anymore and therefor cannot be judged by his accomplishment there. Would anyone judge DLh accomplishments by his prefomance at middle?

That said, Bernard Hopkins is still active. Why the isn't he still p4p king? Because he is being judged by what he has done lately. Because if not, His title reign at middle is one of the longest in history. Therfore if thats the criteria Hopkins should still be p4p1.

The point is simple. p4p is all about what you have done lately! Hope that answers your question!