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  • #21
    Cintron could beat some guys I'm convinced. He still needs to be schooled in some other aspects though, just to be safe. All he has to do is go the Lidell route and use his wrestling skills to avoid getting taken down, while controlling the fight on his feet. His style of boxing is great for MMA too because he throws long punches, and he can hook off of the jab.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by snoopy360 View Post
      Your assesment is correct in a sense. However MMA uses boxing in its discipline. So what your saying in order for a boxer to fight in MMA and prove that boxing is superious is for the boxer to fight as if he were in a boxing match and the MMA'er to fight as if he were in a MMA fight? What I'm saying is that if a Boxer were to decide to enter into MMA i.e. Cintron he would be a dominate force because on his feet he would destroy opponenets, and with his wrestling back ground he would be able to keep the fight off the ground. MMA stand up is so far behind boxing its not even funny, even the Muay Thai they train is a water'd down version of the original discipline. Face it if Dana White really believed that his fighters could beat Cintron he would have signed the contract immediately. Instead he knows that Cintron would literally put his fighters in the hospital and the UFC would end up looking like a bunch of bar room brawlers. I'm not hating the UFC but the proof is in the silence. You haven't heard **** from Dana White since Cintron called him out.
      no...this is not what I am saying. I'm not making an argument based on boxing being better than MMA or vise versa...

      What I am saying is this...If a boxer went in the ring with the knowledge and skills of other disciplines then he is not just a boxer...he is a mixed martial artist...so it would just be one mma fighter vs. another...except one is a hell of a lot better at boxing.

      with his wrestling back ground he would be able to keep the fight off the ground

      here is one point i disagree with...Cintron only wrestled in high school. While he did well, it wasn't as if he were a national champion. Compare him to say, Josh Koscheck... a four-time national champion. Cintron doesn't hold a candle to Koscheck when it comes to wrestling...and Koscheck was taken down easily by Georges St. Pierre. If Josh Koscheck can be taken down I gurantee you that Cintron can be taken down.

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      • #23
        I thought he wrestled in college? Not sure which it was. However I'm just saying that with his understanding of wrestling he should be able to fend of the take down. Plus MMA fighters aren't used to foot movement and general use of the space provided for them in the octagon. If MMA'ers would learn how to circle their opponents correctly oh the damage they could do. I conceed your point on the boxer converting to an MMA fighter. I'm old school and think of UFC in terms of how it used to be. When they used to put Karate vs. Jiu Jitsu it was the fighters main discipline that was focused on not what he was learning at the moment.

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        • #24
          Well I agree with your point too, if MMA fighters learned more about boxing they would be better standup fighters. I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't trying to start an MMA vs. boxing argument. I've been a fan of Cintron since he was fighting on TeleFutura. But I know that even though he is a great boxer compared to MMA, his wrestling if far behind. You are right, the basketball baseball analogy was weak…

          The bottom line is I like both sports and I’m often more fanatical about boxing than MMA…but I also try to remain objective when it comes to comparing the two.

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          • #25
            one thing he said that really stands out was when he made note of the fact that our best fighter, Floyd Mayweather Jr., "would get crushed in MMA."
            i think as a fighter, you are under estimating mayweather and boxing, one clean punch and these mma guys would crumble, i've seen some slips of mma and some can't with stand much of a punch

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            • #26
              Originally posted by kayjay View Post
              Technique? Boxing technique per se doesn't work in MMA, you can't throw a singe punch from a normal boxing stance
              it worked many years for chuck liddel

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Darkstar View Post
                Im just waiting for the day untill one star finally does take the MMA challenge. With all this talk sooner or later it will happen.

                For those real MMA followers who have seen UFC 1 to around 10. I think a real good boxer could have won every fight. But these days they dont have a chance.

                Acutally KERMIT CINTRON already stepped up to UFC and challenged there champion, but guess who backed down......UFC.

                I wouldn't be surprised if Mayorga after he is done as a competitive fighter in boxing goes to mma.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by EliteSoldier View Post
                  Isn't iceman that famous hitman that hbo did a special on
                  YEAH THAT GUY was vicuous wasn't he? He used to kill people so smoothly in ways that couldnt traced...he would put some liquid on a guys armand BAM a little while later the guy would fall dead. He described his killings..and he truly was COLD. And as far as the MMA guys not taking good punches I have to say that strciitly from my own experience with some of those guys, even the biggest guys (250 pounds) that I have sparred with ,,,,,,taking clean punches definitely wasnt a strong point

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                  • #29
                    You know the thing i dont get about UFC (MMA) its been marketed like its a new sport but last time i checked Royce Gracie won UFC 1 like 15 yrs ago! So i try not to compare the 2, boxing has been around since the 1800's maybe longer and well its still around and only getting better.... I can remeber renting videos of UFC fights with the likes of Tank Abbott, Ken Shamrock, the fat dude wit the ponytail etc... and say well damn if MMA is this that and the third then why didnt it blowup back then... Many will say will it didnt have the marketing or Dana WHite wasnt involved and that there proves the point boxing is better because it didnt take one man to change it there was never a real pioneer, but pioneer(S) and thats why boxing will alwasy out do UFC (MMA)

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by ferocity View Post
                      i think as a fighter, you are under estimating mayweather and boxing, one clean punch and these mma guys would crumble, i've seen some slips of mma and some can't with stand much of a punch
                      If everyone knows what your kryptonite is, why would you keep the fight at his deadliest strength? If PBF fought MMA, everyone and their momma would be MT kicking his legs from underneath him and tackling his sorry butt to the ground. Unless PBF had extensive training in MMA and thus became a mixed martial artist, then he could be a force as a mixed martial artist with brilliant boxing skills.

                      BTW ferocity, if a boxer is close enough to throw a clean punch, he would be in takedown range well before he got close enough to jab. In essence, a pure boxer only has the instant before he's tackle to knock a person out, and only a punches chance at that. Other then the boxer getting mauled by virtually any situation the MMAer decides to put him in, he only has a punches chance. This is sad. How come so many people thing all boxers' have superman like strength, where they all have one touch ko's no matter how they punch. I'm not getting that, I know with the roid cases floating around, people maybe more inclined to think that, but come on.

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