The Great Black Hope

[Welter_Skelter]

Wlad has arguably improved but he has come into a division that sucks and is arguably at it's worst (and worsening) since the early 80s when another overhyped fighter with a weak heart (Tyson) came into precedence.

Now that is my opinion.

fair enough.. The division is NOT weak right now.. as someone who has watched HW boxing for 30 years and covering 4 decades.. I can tell you It's not that bad.. The only difference is this.. in the 70's you had about 5 guys who were miles ahead of the pack.. In the 80's you had 2 maybe 3.. in the 90's you had 4 and in the 2000's you have really only 1 maybe 2 ... But the rest of the pack today is the more stacked then any of the prevous periods accept the 90's.. what that means is today the average journey man is better than the average journey man back then... So less Dominace but an over all deeper talent pool.. I am only talking the HW's here

[sonofisis]

Ok see.. Thats what I mean.. All Holmes had was a Jab.. All Tyson had was Power all Foreman had was Power.. all 3 of them have been oitboxed and KO'd

It is amazing how some anti-American boxing fans will compromise their rationality and boxing IQ in order to save face and keep steadfast to their misguided point. Holmes had a superb jab, ring intelligence, calculated attacks, and combinations you fool. Foreman had a calculated attack, dominant style, ring savvy (later on), and ring generalship. Also heart and persistence. He knocked Moore out at 45 with persistence, calculation and measuring, and his power only helped. Tyson had crazy foot work and even speed, accuracy, technique, balance and power. He had the entire package in his prime.

You also conveniently leave out Louis, who is light years ahead of Wlad offensively any day, which exposes the ******ity of your comment. Wlad comes forward and Jabs, nothing else.

Wlad in Contrast has NEVER lost a round he didnt get Knocked down in..

Didn't he get stopped 3 times and knocked down 3 times (by Peter), all by non- hall of famers, while the people mentioned above only lost to hall of famers? I forgot to mention Ali, who was never actually stopped, per se.

He also has a devastaing Hook..

I've seen better

which he can throw off a Jab... OH and Tyson never clinched in his life right? we all know about Foremans awesome footwork.. OH and let's not forget THAT right hand ... The guys is ****ing awesome.. But oh well he is white.. SO he cant comapre.. OH yeah.. and he is NOT an American.. so he can't compare..

It has nothing to do with his color but I suspect you overrate this zombie who's never fought and beaten the top level comp these guys have as probably being due to this fact that you keep addressing, in which I have not.

Really.. you should be ashamed of yourself..

Why? For being rational and realistic? Actually showing some level of boxing intelligence and respect for its history? Okay..

Plus I was alive in the 70's and 80's and saw these guys in their primes.. And Boxing was no better then ...than it is NOW...
trust me on that one.. Hostory just has a way of Glossing things over.. you wait till they talk about now in 50 years..

This here exposes your bias. Name how many future hall of famers are fighting today and in comparison, let's run through the ones who were active in the 70s and 80s, to assess if you're lying or not? You're biased, go ahead and build up your white brethren though, it doesn't bother me if it helps you cope with the fact that the best HW in Britain was Black also (Lewis), and not even really and whole heatedly from the UK so you need to try and extend yourself, desperately trying to form a common identity with "Wlad" (who isn't British) through some superficial race concept that is only skin deep and ultimately insignificant to the reality of your situation.

[Ray Ray]

It is amazing how some anti-American boxing fans will compromise their rationality and boxing IQ in order to save face and keep steadfast to their misguided point. Holmes had a superb jab, ring intelligence, calculated attacks, and combinations you fool. Foreman has a calculated attack, dominant style, ring savvy (later on), and ring generalship. Also heart and persistence. He knocked Moore out at 45 with persistence, calculation and measuring, and his power only helped. Tyson had crazy foot work and even speed, accuracy, technique, balance and power. He had the entire package in his prime.

You also conveniently leave out Louis, who is light years ahead of Wlad offensively any day, which exposes the ******ity of your comment. Wlad comes forward and Jobs, nothing else.



Didn't he get stopped 3 times and knocked down 3 times, all by non- hall of famers, while the people mentioned above only lost to hall of famers? I forgot to mention Ali, who was never actually stopped, per se.



I've seen better



It has nothing to do with his color but I suspect you overrate this zombie who's never fought and beaten the top level comp these guys have as probably due to this fact that you keep addressing, in which I have not.



Why? For being rational and realistic? Actually shjowing some level of boxing intelligence and respect for its history? Okay..



This here exposes your bias. Name how many future hall of famers are fighting today and in comparison, let's run through the ones who were active in the 70s and 80s, to assess if you're lying or not? You're biased, go ahead and build up your white brethren though, it doesn't bother me if it helps you cope with the fact that the best HW in Britain was Black also (Lewis), and not even really and whole heatedly from the UK so you need to try and extend yourself, desperately trying to form a common identity with "Wlad" (who isn't British) through some superficial race concept that is only skin deep and ultimately insignificant to the reality of your situation.

Good post. Lewis was a lot better than Wlad. At least Lewis unified the belts to become the true heavy weight champ. If Wlad was to unify the belts then he can make a case, until then he is just an average champ with an abc belt.

[sonofisis]

Good post. Lewis was a lot better than Wlad. At least Lewis unified the belts to become the true heavy weight champ. If Wlad was to unify the belts then he can make a case, until then he is just an average champ with an abc belt.

Even Lennox Lewis, yes! I was at first referring to Joe Louis, and guys of the later era, since I thought to any rational minded boxing fan, this wouldn't even be debatable. But Lennox Lewis' offense was the best at a time when the HW division was packed and his only losses were avenged. Plus his jab was impeccable, and may have been better than Wlads. I have no idea what goes through some of these people's minds..

[Welter_Skelter]

It is amazing how some anti-American boxing fans will compromise their rationality and boxing IQ in order to save face and keep steadfast to their misguided point. Holmes had a superb jab, ring intelligence, calculated attacks, and combinations you fool. Foreman had a calculated attack, dominant style, ring savvy (later on), and ring generalship. Also heart and persistence. He knocked Moore out at 45 with persistence, calculation and measuring, and his power only helped. Tyson had crazy foot work and even speed, accuracy, technique, balance and power. He had the entire package in his prime.

You also conveniently leave out Louis, who is light years ahead of Wlad offensively any day, which exposes the ******ity of your comment. Wlad comes forward and Jabs, nothing else.



Didn't he get stopped 3 times and knocked down 3 times (by Peter), all by non- hall of famers, while the people mentioned above only lost to hall of famers? I forgot to mention Ali, who was never actually stopped, per se.



I've seen better



It has nothing to do with his color but I suspect you overrate this zombie who's never fought and beaten the top level comp these guys have as probably being due to this fact that you keep addressing, in which I have not.



Why? For being rational and realistic? Actually showing some level of boxing intelligence and respect for its history? Okay..



This here exposes your bias. Name how many future hall of famers are fighting today and in comparison, let's run through the ones who were active in the 70s and 80s, to assess if you're lying or not? You're biased, go ahead and build up your white brethren though, it doesn't bother me if it helps you cope with the fact that the best HW in Britain was Black also (Lewis), and not even really and whole heatedly from the UK so you need to try and extend yourself, desperately trying to form a common identity with "Wlad" (who isn't British) through some superficial race concept that is only skin deep and ultimately insignificant to the reality of your situation.

I am so happy to see I got under your skin... read what you wrote about Holmes.. and insert Wlad's name.. I dont feel like typing it all over again..

Just so You know .. I am Canadian And relate to the USA much more than I do Europe.. I just live here right now..

Now the key word is FUTURE hall of famers... All greatness is only recognised after the fact.. I already said That.. But I guess you only read what you want so you can twist it into some racial conspiracy..

[sonofisis]

I am so happy to see I got under your skin...

Even if this psychopathic observation had any basis in 3 dimensional reality, why would you be glad about it?

read what you wrote about Holmes.. and insert Wlad's name.. I dont feel like typing it all over again..

Why would I do something as biased as this when it is obviously not true and Wlad is no prime Larry Holmes? I'm not you and I don't play kiddy, insert games.

Just so You know .. I am Canadian And relate to the USA much more than I do Europe.. I just live here right now..

And? What does that have to do with your white supremacist approach to boxing, where you identify with a Urkranian over American boxers based merely on skin color and even resort to biased, ill-informed commentary to justify your twisted quote un quote opinion?

Now the key word is FUTURE hall of famers... All greatness is only recognised after the fact..

Not true; your boxing knowledge disappoints me.

I already said That.. But I guess you only read what you want so you can twist it into some racial conspiracy..

Anything Welter Skelter says is true, right? I'm not concerned with what you said, I'm concerned with the facts Mr. Skelter, there is a difference in this case.

[Steak]

some of you guys are nuts. the reason why Wlad isnt huge at the moment is because he aint getting the respect of the major fans, and if you dont have the respect of the major fans the lesser fans aint gonna hear of him either. it has nothing to do with nationality...

The reason people arent sold on Wlad is because he has let people down a lot. I mean just remember...Wlad was coming up, he was this awesome offensive fighter, he was blasting through guys like Botha and Mercer(altho both a little bit old) and McCline, this guy is unstoppable now. and then bam, he gets floored multiple times against Corrie Sanders.

peopel figured, oh, Wlad got caught, and Corries a big puncher. so he starts fighting again, starts kicking ass again, everyone thinks oh its just a fluke, this time Wlad will be unstoppable. then bam, he gases against Brewster and is knocked around the ring, although that was a tremendous fight.

I personally dont fault him, but Im sure you can understand why people are wary of giving him a 'second chance'. and also, your skills can only be judged on how well you use them against equally skilled opponents. most people dont consider todays heavies very good, so Wlad doesnt get huge credit.
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[dmaclv]

alot of people don't like him cuz he's the best but he's real easy to beat. You look at his losses and say wow he has such a weak chin and now he's the highest ranked guy out there.

[WLAD OWNS]

alot of people don't like him cuz he's the best but he's real easy to beat. You look at his losses and say wow he has such a weak chin and now he's the highest ranked guy out there.

Wlad's chin is not that bad, he has never been down for a 10 count and he always has the HEART to get up and continue. Wlad has only been TKO'd, not KO'd. Lennox Lewis also had a suspect chin and he was the undisputed champion. Lewis was actually KO'd twice and failed to make the 10 count,

[kayjay]

With all of the offensive greats who have graced the heavy weight division over the years, including Louis, Foreman, and Tyson, I have no idea why it is even debatable that Wlad, who basically brings nothing more than an excellent Jab, can compare to the all time offensive greats in the HW division. It is ridiculous and a slap in the face to boxing. And that is an understatement.

This is silly;

Previous HWs legacies are tainted b/c of the cold war, it's like baseball records from before 1947. Lennox Lewis and Wlad KLitschko are the only genuine world heavyweight champions ever.

You don't think the soviets were as good at boxing as we were? Previous champs were mere local champs, today it's finally a world sport