Mayweather-Hatton Conference Thread

[sonofisis]

Lol, man, did i touch a nerve? Jesus, I ask a simple question and i get a dissertation on the history of mankind. Do you have to quote books that are based on current hypotheses?

What is a Hypothesis Isis? Last time i checked it was defined as an educated GUESS! How then is anything you used as an example to be accepted as fact?

You are just another educated idiot trained in the dogma of men greater than yourself, and you lack the ability to be original in thought.

Any educated person can read, but not everyone can decipher what is tainted by years of Dogma and elitist assumption.

The fact that civilization is thought to have originated in Africa in no way implys that it could not have started elsewhere. It is just current beliefs based on known criteria. Belief being the key word.


only an idiot would take it as fact!

Obviously you've presented nothing by way of rebuttal, so I'll just take that as a W..

[Easton Assassin]

I know, me and my co-workers are laughing at this cat. He thinks he knows every damn thing. I think he needs to get him some ***** because he is too damn grumpy.

You mean it takes more than one guy to clean a potojohn? Damn, my tax dollars at work!

[Ray Ray]

You mean it takes more than one guy to clean a potojohn? Damn, my tax dollars at work!

:bukkake:

[Easton Assassin]

Obviously you've presented nothing by way of rebuttal, so I'll just take that as a W..

Lol, unlike you Isis, I do not have the history of mankind saved in a folder for quick reference as it has no bearing on my day to day survival.

Besides, you seem to have enough useless information for the both of us.Wouldn't you agree?


Again, my point is simple. You believe Hypothesis to be fact. That says it all.

I can see why you are a Mayweather fan.

BTW, Every other Ancient civilization can be linked to the indigenous peoples of the area. I find it odd that the Nubian connection has to be argued so fervently and is widely unaccepted!

[MightyMikeA]

They didn't go anywhere; they are right here and can be seen plain as day by anyone who actually visits Egypt..
http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/mod_egyptians.html
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ul...=003881#000000


Quote:
The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) diversity of 58 individuals from Upper Egypt, more than half (34 individuals) from Gurna, whose population has an ancient cultural history, were studied by sequencing the control-region and screening diagnostic RFLP markers. This sedentary population presented similarities to the Ethiopian population by the L1 and L2 macrohaplogroup frequency (20.6%), by the West Eurasian component (defined by haplogroups H to K and T to X) and particularly by a high frequency (17.6%) of haplogroup M1. We statistically and phylogenetically analysed and compared the Gurna population with other Egyptian, Near East and sub-Saharan Africa populations; AMOVA and Minimum Spanning Network analysis showed that the Gurna population was not isolated from neighbouring populations. Our results suggest that the Gurna population has conserved the trace of an ancestral genetic structure from an ancestral East African population, characterized by a high M1 haplogroup frequency. The current structure of the Egyptian population may be the result of further influence of neighbouring populations on this ancestral population. - Source

Now what can you provide by way of contradiction?




Because Arabs aren't native to the Nile valley and invaded Egypt in the 7th century.. Again, disregarding your rhetorical questions; do you have anything to provide by way of contradiction to the sources I've cited? Or are you simply closing eyes and ears?



They did; see above..



No, but keep in mind that the Greeks, Turks, Hyksos, Romans, Lybians, and others also migrated and settled over the centuries.

Quoting Keita and Boyce:

The information from the living Egyptian population may not be as useful because historical records indicate substantial immigration into Egypt over the last several millennia, and it seems to have been far greater from the Near East and Europe than from areas far south of Egypt. "Substantial immigration" can actually mean a relatively small number of people in terms of population genetics theory. It has been determined that an average migration rate of one percent per generation into a region could result in a great change of the original gene frequencies in only several thousand years.



You're simplifying the issue and obviously have a poor understanding of population biology and the current structure of the Egyptian populace. See above..

So a bunch of pictures of "Nubian looking" men in Islamic garb is going to convince me that they are somehow direct descendants of powerful Nile-only dwelling "Ancient Egyptians" and the rest of the "Arabic looking" population derives from a bastardized concoction of a myriad of races? Which is what you're basically saying with all that fancy philology?

Look, there are direct records from as long as almost 3 millennia ago which describe the Ancient Egyptian's physical appearance. Aristotle himself (off the top of my head) visited the Nile area and described their appearance as being "melaninchorae" (dark skinned), but not totally dark and he and the other Greek historians differentiated the Egyptians from the darker sub-saharan Africans whom I believe they deemed to be "mavroi" and of a darker skin color.

[sonofisis]

Lol, unlike you Isis, I do not have the history of mankind saved in a folder for quick reference as it has no bearing on my day to day survival.

Besides, you seem to have enough useless information for the both of us.Wouldn't you agree?


Again, my point is simple. You believe Hypothesis to be fact. That says it all.

I can see why you are a Mayweather fan.

BTW, Every other Ancient civilization can be linked to the indigenous peoples of the area. I find it odd that the Nubian connection has to be argued so fervently and is widely unaccepted!

I didn't make any arguments; I've provided empirical data and since you have no basis in criticizing it, nor have any means to discredit it, obviously these are "facts", backed by modern science and biological anthropology. Take that information as you see fit, as it is your prerogative and I hardly care at all. I've done my job by responding adequately to your misguided questions.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Ricky looked pretty stout. What's his street weight? Anybody know?

I guessed that he was approximately 170. And some guy called me an idiot.

Since he is 152-ish on fight night, my guess is that he had about fifteen pounds on him. I would say that he is 170-ish today,

What is your guess?

[Super Cartel]

That your a wanker

just a guess though

[Easton Assassin]

I didn't make any arguments; I've provided empirical data and since you have no basis in criticizing it, nor have any means to discredit it, obviously these are "facts", backed by modern science and biological anthropology. Take that information as you see fit, as it is your prerogative and I hardly care at all. I've done my job by responding adequately to your misguided questions.

Empirical? Facts? Again Isis, you overstep your bounds. What you used as examples are opinions based on current hypothesis(other than the DNA results which are questionable at best) Every example is laced with opinionated assumptions based on dogmatic principles.

I can quote assertions by every sadistic Scholar in existence, but that doesn't make them facts!


The fact is, the jury is still out as to the so called whereabouts of "Cradle of civilization".

[sonofisis]

So a bunch of pictures of "Nubian looking" men in Islamic garb is going to convince me that they are somehow direct descendants of powerful Nile-only dwelling "Ancient Egyptians" and the rest of the "Arabic looking" population derives from a bastardized concoction of a myriad of races?

Well I have provided empirical studies indicating the the earliest Egyptians had tropical adaptations and modal patterns consistent with Nubians and Somalis, so what other interpretation can I logically put fourth? Are you suggesting that these are not "Egyptian looking" people? Are you denying their ancestry in Egypt? What is your basis for such bias?

Brace also found that the ancient Egyptians clustered (cranio-facially) closest to Somalis, while differing significantly from modern populations. Why should this be ignored in favor of your rhetoric?

Which is what you're basically saying with all that fancy philology?

I'm merely speaking from the studies and citations presented, which you have skillfully avoided addressing.

Look, there are direct records from as long as almost 3 millennia ago which describe the Ancient Egyptian's physical appearance. Aristotle himself (off the top of my head) visited the Nile area and described their appearance as being "melaninchorae" (dark skinned), but not totally dark and he and the other Greek historians differentiated the Egyptians from the darker sub-saharan Africans whom I believe they deemed to be "mavroi" and of a darker skin color.

Stop misquoting Aristotle.. "Melas" in ancient Greek literally means "black", hence the word melanin. It is standard medical terminology, derived from this word and what it meant.

Aristotle had this to say about their physical appearance in relation to Ethiopians:

Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two. - Aristotle, Physiognomics, Vol. VI

You say: (dark skinned), but not totally dark

Aristotle says: "Too Black"

Your foolish semantics only hurt your credibility my friend..

He then goes on to say in another book:

Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair. - Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317

Herodotus says:
Several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and wooly hair and secondly, and more reliably for the reason that alone among mankind the Egyptians and the Ethiopians have practiced circumcision since time immemorial. - Herodotus, Book II, 104

Ammianus Marcellinus simply states:

the men of Egypt are mostly brown and black with a skinny and desiccated look. - Ammianus Marcellinus, Book XXII

Diodorus Siculus writes:

They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris ["King of Kings and God of Gods] having been the leader of the colony . . . they add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws." - Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3

Al-Jahiz, centuries later in around the 9th century, had this to say:

The Copts natives of Egypt are also a black race. Abraham wished to have a child by one of their race and thus Ishmael the ancestor of the Arabs was born. The Prophet Mohammet also had a child by Mary the Copt. If a black skin is thought unsightly what then must be said of the French, the Greeks, and the Slavs with their thin, red, straight hair and beard? The paleness of their eyelids and their lips appear to us, Negroes, very ugly...God did not make us black in order that we should be ugly; our color comes from the sun. The proof of this is that among the Arabs are also black tribes as the Beni Solaim ibn Mansour - Al-Jahiz, Risalat mufakharat al-sudan 'ala al-bidan


Now stop lying!