Mayweather-Hatton Conference Thread

[sonofisis]

LMAO You really think you know me. Whenever somebody ownes your ass you want to get personal.

The guy is definitely an emotional wreck; this is a common theme of his..

[cortdawg25]

I also think Hatton won the first round of this thing. Hatton was clearly not intimidated by Mayweather's attempts to rattle him. I've seen similar instances in which Tyson would try to unnerve a fighter at a press conference, and we all know what happened when it didn't work.

That said, Mayweather could have had something else going on in his life that detracted from his composure. I need to see something else to make a real judgement, but every implication points to Hatton being more confident than I would've thought he'd be. Perhaps we might want to tune in to the fight.

I disagree, Floyd was being Floyd, but Hatton is the 1 that was uncomfortable. He was chewing the hell out of that gum and he was backing up very subtly.

[Ray Ray]

The guy is definitely an emotional wreck; this is a common theme of his..

I know, me and my co-workers are laughing at this cat. He thinks he knows every damn thing. I think he needs to get him some ***** because he is too damn grumpy.

[MightyMikeA]

You're such an idiot, what mysterious "race" would this happen to be and since when did this said "race" migrate into Africa? Contrary to your confused assertions, even the most widely renowned Afrocentric critic had this to say:

"Recent work on skeletons and DNA suggests that the people who settled in the Nile valley, like all of humankind, came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteenth-century scholars had supposed) invaders from the North." - Mary Lefkowitz
http://www.wellesley.edu/CS/Mary/contents.html



The Egyptians distinctly separated themselves from Middle Easterners whom they called the "Namu", conventionally giving them yellowish/pale complexions, and themselves a dark brown one, as seen in the tomb of Seti I. They didn't reserve such a distinction however, to those inhabitants in the land which they labeled "punt", which was in modern day Somalia, painting them almost in the image of themselves, as can be seen in the tomb of Hapsetshut.

In addition, "Middle Eastern" isn't an ethnicity, it is a modern-day geo-political construct with no social relevance in the past. Also, I never realized that Middle Eastern people had tropical (or "super-negroid") body plans.

Quoting:

The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983). The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb are longer relative to the proximal segments than in many “African” populations (data from Aiello and Dean, 1990). This pattern is supported by Figure 7 a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; (data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations. - Sonia Zakrzewski (2003)
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/egyptian_body_proportions.pdfSource[/url]

Nor did I realize that Middle Easterners had modal patterns consistent with Nubians from Kerma..

Quoting:


Badarian (pre-dynastic Egyptians) occupies a position closest to the Teita (tribe in Kenya), Gaboon, Nubian, and Nagada series by centroid values and territorial maps. The Nagada (Bronze age Egyptians) and the Kerma (Nubians) series are so similar that they are barely INDISTINGUISHABLE in the territorial maps; they subsume the first dynasty series in Abydos… The Badarian crania have a modal metric phenotype that is clearly “southern”; most classify into the Kerma (Nubian), Gaboon, and Kenyan group. - S.O.Y. Keita
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/keita_1990_northern_africa_1_.pdfSource[/url]




Unlike the people cited above, Zahi Hawass is not a physical anthropologist, but he is a modern day Arab Egyptian who lives in Egypt and therefore is an "Egyptian", but he's not an ancient, Nile Valley Egyptian. Not sure how this is relevant or emprical to prove your sorry case......

So then, what happened to all these Nubian "Ancient Egyptians"? Were they simply all displaced or died off? They left such a powerful legacy, especially in architecture, mathematics, astronomy, the arts and simply evaporated off the face of the earth? How come then do the modern "Arabic" Egyptians not bear any semblance at all to your Nubian ones? Surely they must have left some genetic traits and physical characteristics in the contemporary population? Or were the Arabic incursions (which took place far later) that powerful? It's impossible that the Nubians could be eradicated from an area they left such a strong imprint on in just a few millennia, don't you agree?

[Chunk..]

I disagree, Floyd was being Floyd, but Hatton is the 1 that was uncomfortable. He was chewing the hell out of that gum and he was backing up very subtly.

Am not sure how you can base all that on him chewing gum, he only backed up because Floyd looked like he wanted tongue.

Neither fighter looked intimidated IMO. Wait tell the fireworks in Manchester to see which fighter is really intimidated.

[cortdawg25]

Am not sure how you can base all that on him chewing gum, he only backed up because Floyd looked like he wanted tongue.

Neither fighter looked intimidated IMO. Wait tell the fireworks in Manchester to see which fighter is really intimidated.

Hatton looked like he was in a interrogating room in front of Floyd's face. lol

[Easton Assassin]

You're such an idiot, what mysterious "race" would this happen to be and since when did this said "race" migrate into Africa? Contrary to your confused assertions, even the most widely renowned Afrocentric critic had this to say:

"Recent work on skeletons and DNA suggests that the people who settled in the Nile valley, like all of humankind, came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteenth-century scholars had supposed) invaders from the North." - Mary Lefkowitz
http://www.wellesley.edu/CS/Mary/contents.html



The Egyptians distinctly separated themselves from Middle Easterners whom they called the "Namu", conventionally giving them yellowish/pale complexions, and themselves a dark brown one, as seen in the tomb of Seti I. They didn't reserve such a distinction however, to those inhabitants in the land which they labeled "punt", which was in modern day Somalia, painting them almost in the image of themselves, as can be seen in the tomb of Hapsetshut.

In addition, "Middle Eastern" isn't an ethnicity, it is a modern-day geo-political construct with no social relevance in the past. Also, I never realized that Middle Eastern people had tropical (or "super-negroid") body plans.

Quoting:

The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983). The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb are longer relative to the proximal segments than in many “African” populations (data from Aiello and Dean, 1990). This pattern is supported by Figure 7 a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; (data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations. - Sonia Zakrzewski (2003)
Source

Nor did I realize that Middle Easterners had modal patterns consistent with Nubians from Kerma..

Quoting:


Badarian (pre-dynastic Egyptians) occupies a position closest to the Teita (tribe in Kenya), Gaboon, Nubian, and Nagada series by centroid values and territorial maps. The Nagada (Bronze age Egyptians) and the Kerma (Nubians) series are so similar that they are barely INDISTINGUISHABLE in the territorial maps; they subsume the first dynasty series in Abydos… The Badarian crania have a modal metric phenotype that is clearly “southern”; most classify into the Kerma (Nubian), Gaboon, and Kenyan group. - S.O.Y. Keita
Source




Unlike the people cited above, Zahi Hawass is not a physical anthropologist. He is a modern day Arab Egyptian who lives in Egypt and therefore is an "Egyptian", but he's not an ancient, Nile Valley Egyptian, nor does he specialize in "racial identity". Not sure how this is relevant in proving your sorry case......

Lol, man, did i touch a nerve? Jesus, I ask a simple question and i get a dissertation on the history of mankind. Do you have to quote books that are based on current hypotheses?

What is a Hypothesis Isis? Last time i checked it was defined as an educated GUESS! How then is anything you used as an example to be accepted as fact?

You are just another educated idiot trained in the dogma of men greater than yourself, and you lack the ability to be original in thought.

Any educated person can read, but not everyone can decipher what is tainted by years of Dogma and elitist assumption.

The fact that civilization is thought to have originated in Africa in no way implys that it could not have started elsewhere. It is just current beliefs based on known criteria. Belief being the key word.


only an idiot would take it as fact!

[Super Cartel]

Hatton couldnt give a **** he just sat there laughing at the div
bet mayweathers breath smelt like a dutty foot though he was way
to close..
Closet **** that one is

[sonofisis]

So then, what happened to all these Nubian "Ancient Egyptians"? Were they simply all displaced or died off?

They didn't go anywhere; they are right here and can be seen plain as day by anyone who actually visits Egypt..
http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/mod_egyptians.html
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ul...=003881#000000


Quote:
The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) diversity of 58 individuals from Upper Egypt, more than half (34 individuals) from Gurna, whose population has an ancient cultural history, were studied by sequencing the control-region and screening diagnostic RFLP markers. This sedentary population presented similarities to the Ethiopian population by the L1 and L2 macrohaplogroup frequency (20.6%), by the West Eurasian component (defined by haplogroups H to K and T to X) and particularly by a high frequency (17.6%) of haplogroup M1. We statistically and phylogenetically analysed and compared the Gurna population with other Egyptian, Near East and sub-Saharan Africa populations; AMOVA and Minimum Spanning Network analysis showed that the Gurna population was not isolated from neighbouring populations. Our results suggest that the Gurna population has conserved the trace of an ancestral genetic structure from an ancestral East African population, characterized by a high M1 haplogroup frequency. The current structure of the Egyptian population may be the result of further influence of neighbouring populations on this ancestral population. - Source

Now what can you provide by way of contradiction?

They left such a powerful legacy, especially in architecture, mathematics, astronomy, the arts and simply evaporated off the face of the earth? How come then do the modern "Arabic" Egyptians not bear any semblance at all to your Nubian ones?

Because Arabs aren't native to the Nile valley and invaded Egypt in the 7th century.. Again, disregarding your rhetorical questions; do you have anything to provide by way of contradiction to the sources I've cited? Or are you simply closing eyes and ears?

Surely they must have left some genetic traits and physical characteristics in the contemporary population?

They did; see above..

Or were the Arabic incursions (which took place far later) that powerful?

No, but keep in mind that the Greeks, Turks, Hyksos, Romans, Lybians, and others also migrated and settled over the centuries.

Quoting Keita and Boyce:

The information from the living Egyptian population may not be as useful because historical records indicate substantial immigration into Egypt over the last several millennia, and it seems to have been far greater from the Near East and Europe than from areas far south of Egypt. "Substantial immigration" can actually mean a relatively small number of people in terms of population genetics theory. It has been determined that an average migration rate of one percent per generation into a region could result in a great change of the original gene frequencies in only several thousand years.

It's impossible that the Nubians could be eradicated from an area they left such a strong imprint on in just a few millennia, don't you agree?

You're simplifying the issue and obviously have a poor understanding of population biology and the current structure of the Egyptian populace. See above..

[Super Cartel]

Hold on am i on the ****ing uk living forum here or boxing>?