The Dirrell Brothers...Anthony vs Andre?

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  • SkillspayBills
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    #11
    Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
    I know both of these guys since they were amateurs.... sad news for those who have not heard but Anthony came up with Cancer a few months ago. They are optomistic he wil beat it, though. I had a kid lose to him in the 80 pound finals of the Ohio State Fair back in 1998.

    As for Andre, say what you want but as non offensive as he was in the Stevens fight he definitely won it by a mile. He also beat both Jaidon Codrington and "Mean" Joe Green, among many others, in the amateurs. He can fight
    Damn those are top guys he beat so he must be for real. He did win the fight but even you have to criticize him for that type of victory iceman.

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    • revs1227
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      #12
      yeah i disliek them both
      direll lost me in that stevens fight he rann
      and rann
      and ran he had his back 2 him running !

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      • Parody
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        #13
        Originally posted by revs1227
        yeah i disliek them both
        direll lost me in that stevens fight he rann
        and rann
        and ran he had his back 2 him running !
        Have you even seen the other one fight?

        Anthony is good and has decent power, I think Andre is good as well but he was not his normal self in the Stevens fight, maybe he was too cautious but he was boring although he won it easily, Anthony is much quicker and has more power IMO.

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        • revs1227
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          #14
          nah i havnt seen him fight
          i guess i gota take that back i hust dislike andre
          i wanna see anthony fight

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          • FIGHTING_FLIP
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            #15
            andre has better skill..but anthony has that knockout mentality that i like better

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            • robjr
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              #16
              people can knock his tactic agasint stevens.. but andres skillz are very apparent..

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              • EliteSoldier
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                #17
                Andre would win by points in a boring match

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                • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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                  #18
                  Edited..

                  I was going to use this in my book but decided against it. Still an insightful look at the kid BEFORE he turned pro

                  Every once in a while you will come across a performance where a boxer will exceed expectations and elevate himself higher than most could even expect him to go. Sometimes a boxer with a lot of question marks will find a way to answer most or all of them in one single flash of brilliance. That doesn't always necessarily mean that the boxer in question is world class or legendary or headed for greatness. But it doesn't mean that he isn't either. What it usually means is that for one day (or a few days) the boxer is great.

                  There is one example of this that come to my mind from my own era of amateur boxing on the national level. In 1988 it was pretty much common knowledge that the best american at 125 pounds, a definite gold medal hope for the Olympics in Seoul, was Kelcie Banks. At the 88' U.S. Championship tournament in Colorado he was going after his record 4th straight U.S. title and, despite the fact that there was many tough competitors in his weight class, it was pretty much the general consensus that Kelcie would come through with it. 17 year old Carl Daniels had other ideas, however, and put forth one of the most inspiring performances of recent times when he punched in bunches and hustled his way to a definitive victory over Banks, who came into the match as the reigning Pan-Am Champion from the year before.

                  So we fast forward more than fifteen years and I am at the 2004 Eastern U.S. Olympic Trials amateur tournament that was held at the Fernwood Resort in Bushkill, Pennsylvania (The Poconos) this past weekend (January 2004) and I watched a kid there that I have seen several times at amateur tournaments over the past several years named Anthony Dirrell from Flint, Michigan.

                  The first time I really saw Anthony box was about six years ago when he fought and defeated one of the kids I train (Dwayne Hairston) in the Ohio State Fair in the 75 pound Junior division final. I saw him again about two years ago at a tournament in Kansas when he was about fifteen years old and I remember him telling me he was "looking to turn pro." I remember thinking at the time that he was just "trying to sound like a big shot" and I thought how "this kid has no idea what being a pro is all about" and that he better wait a while. It takes, in general, a different kind of heart to get through a tough pro fight than it does to get through a tough amateur fight.

                  I also remembered back to when Anthony defeated Dwayne at the 1998 Ohio State Fair nationals when Dwayne hadn't trained a day for the tournament and I ended up bringing him more as a way to get out of Hartford than anything. Dwayne was a very talented, tough kid and even with very little training he gave Anthony all he wanted before losing a very close decision. At the end of the fight, after the decision was announced, I remember telling Dwayne how bad he should feel because, if anything, his performance showed that with even moderate training he would beat these so called top guys in his division.

                  (With renewed dedication, Dwayne realized his potential just two months later at the PAL Nationals at Disney World when he defeated future (2004) U.S. Olympic alternate Anthony Peterson of Washington D.C. in the 85 pound finals)

                  Anyway, about three weeks ago they held the 2004 USA Amateur Boxing national championships out in Colorado with the winners qualifying for the upcoming U.S. Olympic Trials. Anthony fought there at 165 pounds, a little big for him, and he was eliminated from the competition after winning a couple of bouts early on. After the tournament was over I read where he said he was going to go back down to 152 pounds for the Eastern Trials because his brother Andre had already qualified for the trials at middleweight and he didn't want to be in a position where he would have to box against his brother to make the Olympic Team. So here we are at the Eastern Trials two weeks after he says he is going down to 152 pounds and I see his name listed in the 178 POUND class. I talked to him after I saw his name there and he said he only weighed about 167 pounds now but didn't want to go down to 165 because he didn't want to be in the same weight class as his brother and it was obviously too late to get all the way down to 152 so he just decided to stay where he was and box in the light heavyweight division.

                  Now, my first thought was that he was a tall and elusive southpaw (like an amateur version of Michael Nunn) and could do well for a bit before bowing out of this tournament as he would probably not be strong enough at this new and unnatural weight for the better, more physical guys.

                  The first fight of the tournament he came through as he stopped a kid on the "20 point rule" (meaning that the fight was stopped because a boxer had reached the point where he was twenty points ahead of his opponent. A ridiculous rule in my opinion for stopping a fight but a rule just the same). The second day, same thing. He again stops his opponent on the 20 point rule. I saw the fight and he was up against a strong kid but he remained unruffled under pressure and showed grit when he had to. Now I am saying to myself If he can fight a top guy and stay off the ropes he might actually do something here. But in the end I still wouldn't bet on him to win the whole thing. He still had top 178's like Curtis Stevens, Jaidon Codrington, and Eric Kelley in his weight class to deal with.

                  It was in his third match of the week, though, that he REALLY showed me something I didn't expect to see under the circumstances. A few seconds into the third round of his match, seemingly out of nowhere, Dirrell hit the canvas extremely hard but no punch was thrown. It was like some invisible force has slammed him to the floor. Immediately a guy in the audience yells out "He broke his leg, man!! That's it, the fights over!" I guess he must have twisted his leg up pretty bad because he went down like he got shot. I, too, thought the fight was going to be called off at that moment and at first he didn't look that much like he was in a hurry to get up, anyway. They called the doctor up to the corner to check on him after he finally made it to his feet and after a few words, surprisingly, they let the match continue.

                  Now he comes back in the fight and is actually doing pretty well for about twenty seconds or so when all of a sudden he AGAIN falls hard to the canvas, this time flat on his stomach. I am now SURE this fight is over. He is obviously in pain and he starts ****ing on the canvas with his right glove, like he is trying to somehow ease the pain shooting through his leg. Obviously in severe distress, he somehow makes it to his feet again and, once more, the ref doesn't stop the fight on him. I realize he is a small middleweight, if anything, and now is the time when the real 178 pounder he is in with will probably take over and probably stop him since his leg is in so much pain and his movement is so limited. What happens, though, is after he takes his second mandatory standing eight-count, Dirrell furiously attacks his opponent, letting loose with somewhat wild, but fluid, combinations. With about thirty seconds left in the round a whistle goes off and the ref jumps in to declare...

                  that the 20 point rule for this bout has just been reached and Dirrell is once again the stoppage winner!! Now I am impressed. That whole episode right there showed me that this kid, despite his lack of weight and strength, has an abundance of heart and will to win. No matter what happens from now on he has shown a lot. That's three straight victories by twenty point stoppage including a very gutsy showing in the third match. The next day his leg had to be very tight and sore but he fought yet again. And won on a 29-10 decision. Meaning if he scored just one more good shot he would have won by twenty point stoppage AGAIN. At this point there is a buzz throughout the arena from day today as people begin to hear more and more about him and the odds he is facing. These four victories have put him in the gold medal match, one win away from an unlikely qualifying for the 2004 U.S. Olympic Trials. To pull this unlikely ending off, though, he is going to have to get through a kid by the name of Rommell Rene from Florida who just happens to be rated #1 in the USA at 178. Rene and Andre Ward from California are probably the two top USA hopes at this very moment in this weight class for the upcoming olympic games. I had to leave the tournament early and head back to Connecticut before the finals took place but I wished Anthony luck and headed home knowing that I could and would check with interest the result of his bout on the USA Boxing website the next day ( http://www.usaboxing.org)/.

                  The next day, just five days ago, I opened up the website and checked the results. I'm not sure if I was even surprised or not at this point, but natural 152 pound Anthony Dirrell not only defeated #1 rated 178 pounder Rene Rommell but he scored a 30-12 victory -coming just two points away from "twenty pointing" the top rated guy in a division that just two weeks ago he had planned to be nowhere near. He had planned to box at 152 pounds and now here he is headed to the U.S. Olympic Trials and is just a handful of victories away from making Team 2004. That in itself is a pretty big feat and the obstacles he overcame to get there only serve to add to the legend of this unlikely story.

                  I cannot say right now what will happen at the trials next month and I definitely cannot predict professional success for Anthony because, really, he is still a kid. But I wanted to mention him in a special way because what he did there-considering the circumstances- was eye catching and one day will be a story that future amateur hopefuls will hear about to inspire them. You heard it here first

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
                    I cannot say right now what will happen at the trials next month and I definitely cannot predict professional success for Anthony because, really, he is still a kid. But I wanted to mention him in a special way because what he did there-considering the circumstances- was eye catching and one day will be a story that future amateur hopefuls will hear about to inspire them. You heard it here first
                    WOW!........

                    Great story, thanks for sharing it with us..........

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