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  • EMPOROAR
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    #31
    Originally posted by kayjay
    Trying to outbox Cotto would be suicide. Mosley has the speed and power to jump on him. He's gotta knock Cotto out early, which is what I think I'll predict.

    In any case punchers will do better than boxers against Cotto, Mosley needs to skip the jab and make Cotto eat hooks dowstairs then upstairs. And when Cotto is shaken he's gotta jump on him.
    What the **** are you talking about? The only way to beat Cotto is to outwork him in other words out box him. Put the pressure on him with a jab and catch him coming in. He has great power but he is fairly slow and very economical. You are telling me a guy like Mayweather or Mosley cant outbox him????

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      #32
      Originally posted by kayjay
      Trying to outbox Cotto would be suicide. Mosley has the speed and power to jump on him. He's gotta knock Cotto out early, which is what I think I'll predict.

      In any case punchers will do better than boxers against Cotto, Mosley needs to skip the jab and make Cotto eat hooks dowstairs then upstairs. And when Cotto is shaken he's gotta jump on him.
      Fully, great insight. Mosley will jump on Cotto, I'm with Kayjay.

      Cotto will not dictate.

      Not this ****ing time - this is Shane Mosley. The same Shane Mosley who has gotten another reminder of how to handle a situation like this by watching Hopkins deactivate Winky Wright.

      Both Cotto and Winky are full court press fighters - but they can be beaten. I'm sorry if even the objective ones can't see that. When Mosley takes away control Cotto will malfunction and his program will shut down.

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      • kayjay
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        #33
        Originally posted by EMPOROAR
        What the **** are you talking about? The only way to beat Cotto is to outwork him in other words out box him. Put the pressure on him with a jab and catch him coming in. He has great power but he is fairly slow and very economical. You are telling me a guy like Mayweather or Mosley cant outbox him????
        Mayweather would beat him in retreat, but that's an exceptional case b/c Mayweather is good enough to overcome what stylistic advantages Cotto has over him. Mosley couldn't take a twelve round decision in a slow fight, no, b/c Cotto's rec overy is very good, he punches the same consistently and through any trouble, and he gets stronger as the fight goes on. His weaknesses include his ability to be countered with a left hand when he's fighting orthodox and his mediocre chin. When he switches to southpaw you have to box him, sure.

        Who has done the best against Cotto so far? Who actually was a threat? only Torres. Paulie and Judah can look good for a minute, but there's no way to continue to box for twelve rounds, Cotto will slowly kill you.

        But any good puncher, especially someone with a good left, has a very good chance to beat him

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          #34
          Originally posted by kayjay
          Mayweather would beat him in retreat, but that's an exceptional case b/c Mayweather is good enough to overcome what stylistic advantages Cotto has over him. Mosley couldn't take a twelve round decision in a slow fight, no, b/c Cotto's rec overy is very good, he punches the same consistently and through any trouble, and he gets stronger as the fight goes on. His weaknesses include his ability to be countered with a left hand when he's fighting orthodox and his mediocre chin. When he switches to southpaw you have to box him, sure.

          Who has done the best against Cotto so far? Who actually was a threat? only Torres. Paulie and Judah can look good for a minute, but there's no way to continue to box for twelve rounds, Cotto will slowly kill you.

          But any good puncher, especially someone with a good left, has a very good chance to beat him
          I may of misunderstood you or you may have misunderstood me. All I know is Mosley has to dictate pace. He has to dicate ring center or he will methodically get put on his ass.

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            #35
            I don't ****ing know what will happen, but it seems to me based on what I've seen that Cotto is most beatable by someone who can jump on him. Judah landed a few but he has neither the consistent power nor the chin nor the balls to step in and flurry like crazy after landing the first good shot. He recovers well though you have to jump immediately on him

            I think by the way that Cotto is tailor-made for De La Hoya, and perhaps to a lesser extent for Mosley. Sure Mayweather would beat him but that's another story

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              #36
              Originally posted by kayjay
              I don't ****ing know what will happen, but it seems to me based on what I've seen that Cotto is most beatable by someone who can jump on him. Judah landed a few but he has neither the consistent power nor the chin nor the balls to step in and flurry like crazy after landing the first good shot. He recovers well though you have to jump immediately on him

              I think by the way that Cotto is tailor-made for De La Hoya, and perhaps to a lesser extent for Mosley. Sure Mayweather would beat him but that's another story
              Judah is a 4 round fighter. I have been saying this for years. This is why he could not keep up to Cotto's pace. Mosley on the other hand is a much different fighter. Not nearly as economical as Judah. He throws alot of punches and uses his jab as a range finder. He is going to outwork Cotto pretty easily in my opinion.

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                #37
                Originally posted by niceguy45
                easy one word....."BOX"
                Originally posted by The_Bringer
                Goddamnit, I typed all that out for nothing and you hit the nail on the head with one simple word, lol.
                I dont think Mosley is that slick or maybe a better way to put it is his pride will not let him turn to pure boxing when Cotto presses him into exchanges. I think Mosley's best chance lies in his ability to have too much pop for Cotto and if he gets him hurt , probably early, Shane will have the experience and ability to finish him off. Otherwise Cotto will cut the ring off on him and land hard and often until Mosley, like Cotto's other opponents has been pounded into submission.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by EMPOROAR
                  Judah is a 4 round fighter. I have been saying this for years. This is why he could not keep up to Cotto's pace. Mosley on the other hand is a much different fighter. Not nearly as economical as Judah. He throws alot of punches and uses his jab as a range finder. He is going to outwork Cotto pretty easily in my opinion.
                  Cotto is a fighter through and through though. He's not going to concede at any point. In fact the ore I think of it, the more this fight can't go wrong.

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                    #39
                    I think that Cotto Vs Mayweather would look like DLH Vs Mayweather.


                    Cotto likes to apply pressure and we all know that Mayweather will not stand there. Cotto will be the bull trying to press the action while Mayweather boxes and retreats. DOn't ya think that?

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Undefeated
                      I think that Cotto Vs Mayweather would look like DLH Vs Mayweather.


                      Cotto likes to apply pressure and we all know that Mayweather will not stand there. Cotto will be the bull trying to press the action while Mayweather boxes and retreats. DOn't ya think that?
                      Exactly. Except that Cotto doesn't have Oscar's defense or jab. So a fight that is even through eight is less likely

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