The real reason behind Atlas's choice of mab over PAC

[We want Floyd]

so barrera has "NEVER" looked good against fighters whose money punch was straight down the pipe? didnt barrera beat morales twice and look great in his 3 fights against morales??? a fighter who has a "Straight right"??

and barrera was never KO'd twice by junior jones, it was once and in his rematch he was unlucky not to get the decision, it was a close fight.

Okay, as I stated earlier my memory of both mab - junior jones fights were off, but i remember mab having a lot of difficulty w/ jj's jab and kept rockin' mab w/ the straight right. and yes, he has been victorious against em, but mab ate alot of straight punches in all those fights w/ em!! And we all know what happened to him against PAC, Pac couldn't have been any more one - dimensional that night against mab and mab didn't know how to handle the same exact punch that kept coming and coming each and every round until his corner jumped in.

what makes you think mab is suddenly gonna change overnight, when he has clearly shown in a total of 6-7 fights where all he kept eating were punches coming straight down the middle? PAC's left is probably harder this time around as he has settled in his weightclass, and add to that, another bomb, the right hook, has been added to his arsenal, and it ain't nuthin' to f**k with either!!

[ßringer]

I picked Barrera to beat Pacquiao 3 weeks ago, way before Atlas even thought of making a prediction. I even put points on it. Barrera looked great against Marquez, certainly better than Pac did against him. Add to that the fact that Marco is a killer in rematches. People are writing Barrera off completely here, I can't wait until he beats Pacquiao in a unanimous decision that shocks all of you.

I'll be eagerly waiting to see what you guys have to say about Barrera then.

[gixxer]

I already see alot of the PAC haters jumping on Teddy Atlas's bandwagon of mab defeating PAC(LOL).

Prior to Teddy's pick the consensus was that PAC was gonna do a repeat on mab, maybe even more devastating this time around.

Here's the reason why Teddy made the surprising pick...

Teddy is a huge/infuential/very vocal supporter of the sport. The PAC - mab rematch isn't gathering as much attention as the other upcoming fights as we've seen on ES*N polls, it ranks a far 3rd, behind Mosley - Cotto and Mayweather - Hatton.

To gain interest from the fans, it's Teddy's job/and probably favors from GBP and Top Rank to say somethin' that will get the fans to think it over and maybe, just maybe, the fans who are not willing to shell out $50 - $60 for another PAC onslaught. I mean, think about it. In Teddy Atlas's world and his boxing buddies, the world would be a better place if all the PPV boxing events would do huge numbers.

Barrera will have his moments in the rematch, MAB will come in much more prepared for this rematch, but the speed, the speed will be too much as Morales found out.

When was the last time MAB looked good against fighters whose money punch was straight down the pipe? The answer: NEVER.

He was tko'd twice by Junior Jones, always had difficulty w/ Morales's straight right, and was almost decapitated by PAC if his corner didn't throw in the towel. MAB has never figured out how to stop the straight punch and at 33, I don't see it happening. AND PAC is the biggest puncher of them all, and right now is probably at his strongest. Speed, power will be too much for MAB.

Some of you say that MAB is always better the second time around. True, but it was against a fighter who didn't have a straight hand to speak of. PAC's straight punch is arguably the best today! And the 33 year old MAB will once again get stopped in his tracks, forget that... he'll get DESTROYED by the DESTROYER.

its true barrera is going to win................i think hes gonna do a better job than marquez did

[We want Floyd]

I picked Barrera to beat Pacquiao 3 weeks ago, way before Atlas even thought of making a prediction. I even put points on it. Barrera looked great against Marquez, certainly better than Pac did against him. Add to that the fact that Marco is a killer in rematches. People are writing Barrera off completely here, I can't wait until he beats Pacquiao in a unanimous decision that shocks all of you.

I'll be eagerly waiting to see what you guys have to say about Barrera then.

the main reason Atlas gave, as to why he thinks mab's gonna win is because PAC seems to have been taking it easy. What Atlas really means is, is that he's banking on PAC coming in overconfident. So it's still PAC's fight to win, an in-shape PAC w/o the distractions. would Teddy be singing a different tune? I think so.

You say mab is a killer in rematches, the only time he looked great in a rematch was against a cement footed juarez. He lost his rematch against Jones and fought closed ones against em . PAC, Let me remind you is also a killer in rematches. He has gotten better. mab hasn't felt the heat this new PAC brings, we've seen all there's to see in mab. Put your points where your mouth is. How does 5k sound?? put it in your sig!

[We want Floyd]

I picked Barrera to beat Pacquiao 3 weeks ago, way before Atlas even thought of making a prediction. I even put points on it. Barrera looked great against Marquez, certainly better than Pac did against him. Add to that the fact that Marco is a killer in rematches. People are writing Barrera off completely here, I can't wait until he beats Pacquiao in a unanimous decision that shocks all of you.

I'll be eagerly waiting to see what you guys have to say about Barrera then.

A lot of the mab loyalists reason as to why they think their guy is gonna win is because he's a killer in rematches and PAC has been complacent. well, em was different style fighter, rocky was a different style fighter, besides having a "history of doing well in rematches" it's still not a specific response. what i want to know is how do guys see this fight as a mab win against a tip-top shape PAC??

[Sin City]

these were MAB's excuses in the first fight. ita almost verbatim.

yeah pac's so out of shape his first sparring session he almost KO'd his opponent who was wearing headgear.

oo wow! a sparring partner my god!!!


that doesn't say much.. you get sparring partners to train and work on your strategy and reutine. Obviously Pac didn't get the memo that you aren't supposed to try and take his head off.

Barrera could knock out his sparring partners too if he wanted to.

Barrera already figured out how to solve that puzzle, Same as Marquez after the 3 knock downs, he knew what Pac was gonna throw and what was coming.. So Pac better have something new to bring to the ring.
I think if Pacquiao brings some new tricks into the ring and doesn't just go for the 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 and 1-2 he wins..

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

MASGAGOMEXI,

You logic is very flawed.

1) Atlas gets paid bythe Disney Corp. Pac and Barrera are esentially generating revenues for Time Warner , who is Disney's biggest competitor

2) I would think that Teddy's personal credibility and reputation would be more important to him than making money for Oscar/Pac/MAB.

3) Pac has seemed distracted, and it is on THAT basis that Teddy is thinking MAB has a good shot.

[C.Y.]

too many barrera ***** lovers here
dont give me wrong i respect him as a fighter
but there is no way he is winning this fight
he got completely outclassed in the first fight
and he's only gotten older since
"oh he looked good against marquez" - last time i checked barrera still lost that fight and marquez and pac are two completely different fighters
pac has only gotten better since the first fight with barrera
pac has too much speed and power and right now its his time

[AIR_KENG]

if barerras in shape there no way pacqioua can win.. barerra is never in rediculous shape and beats everybody.. hes the most techincally skilled fighter in the world..pazqioua to me just out conditions his opponents and throws punches non stop .. if you can get pacqioua to respect you , you can pick him aprt like marquez did.. but if you can earn his respect your in for hell.. if barerra can earn his respect he will win if not he better be prepared to go to war for twelve rounds in stead of 8.. and you have to remeber nobody thought pacqioua was all that great before he fought barerra the first time so barerra underetimated him

barrera was in shape for the marquez fight yet he lost... i've said this before, MAB does not like pressure fighters... PAC exemplified that and proven some more by JMM... plus, his stamina almost always betray him in the later rounds of the fight... and he isn't the best techinal fighter there is because that would be JMM... LOL, you talk like PAC-MAB 1 was the last fight PAC had... if you look back, after the first fight PAC has accomplished a lot more than your Barrera.

[ßringer]

the main reason Atlas gave, as to why he thinks mab's gonna win is because PAC seems to have been taking it easy. What Atlas really means is, is that he's banking on PAC coming in overconfident. So it's still PAC's fight to win, an in-shape PAC w/o the distractions. would Teddy be singing a different tune? I think so.

You say mab is a killer in rematches, the only time he looked great in a rematch was against a cement footed juarez. He lost his rematch against Jones and fought closed ones against em . PAC, Let me remind you is also a killer in rematches. He has gotten better. mab hasn't felt the heat this new PAC brings, we've seen all there's to see in mab. Put your points where your mouth is. How does 5k sound?? put it in your sig!

First and foremost, even a distracted Pacquiao is a dangerous Pacquiao. He's the number 2 p4p fighter in the sport today and deserves it for a very specific reason: he's proven himself as an elite fighter and has wins over future hall of famers.

Secondly, I thought Barrera won the first fight against Morales, lost the second, and won the third. Junior Jones was before Barrera became the fighter he is today. I must decline your offer to stake 5K on the fight because A.) I only bet a maximum of 10K on any fight, so I can spread my points all across the board. And B.) I already have 10K on Marco to win.

A lot of the mab loyalists reason as to why they think their guy is gonna win is because he's a killer in rematches and PAC has been complacent. well, em was different style fighter, rocky was a different style fighter, besides having a "history of doing well in rematches" it's still not a specific response. what i want to know is how do guys see this fight as a mab win against a tip-top shape PAC??

My reason isn't based entirely on Marco being a killer in rematches. It's based on the perception that Barrera has superior boxing skills to Pacquiao, much like Marquez does. If he decides to box, he can simply outpoint Pacquiao and make it look easy. That said, if he decides to trade with Pac I see him getting stopped.

That's how I see it as a win against a tip top Pacquiao, based on boxing ability. Pacquiao nearly lost the Marquez fight because aside from his power punches he landed nothing consistent and both Morales and Marquez were able to outbox Pacquiao. That said, I realize Pacquiao has improved his right hand a lot since then and he's not the same fighter today as he was back then. This makes him more competitive and dangerous.

Still, I feel Barrera is a more talented boxer and he will ultimately pull off an upset in October. Maybe I'm voting strictly with my heart, I have done this with my favorites before when the odds were stacked against him. But I never abandon ship on any of my favorite fighters simply due to their age, or the odds.