How come we cant say Cotto wasn't slowed down by the two cuts caused by Judah head butts. Wouldn't it be fair to argue that hurt his performance as well? Cotto was hit low twice against Quintana, and Carlos was warned twice. Both shots looked like they landed flush below the belt. I bet no one would have acknowledged those blows if Cotto would have lost. Unless he rolled around and milked them. Credit to Judah for doing so...
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Originally posted by ELPacman View PostThis is you, sounding like a joke. This thread was hate being concealed in the simplest way possible, as you knew it was spark anger and piss fans off, so you could engage them. Don't try to hide it. You not fooling anyone.
You have anything to say about being a hypocrite???
On second thought - please, **** off.
You're no longer on any legs and you're still talking?...
I can't bring myself to interact with you a whiny little fool like you.
Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by -Antonio- View PostHow come we cant say Cotto wasn't slowed down by the two cuts caused by Judah head butts. Wouldn't it be fair to argue that hurt his performance as well? Cotto was hit low twice against Quintana, and Carlos was warned twice. Both shots looked like they landed flush below the belt. I bet no one would have acknowledged those blows if Cotto would have lost. Unless he rolled around and milked them. Credit to Judah for doing so...
There's holes all over this.
But I will toss you a base level, generic answer - even though simple logic should prevent this..
So, alright....
Antonio, is Carlos Quintana as hard of a body puncher as Miguel Cotto?
(not that it matters.. just trying to make my point..)
You see, it all matters. Everything.
But anyway, if Cotto didn't get the same reaction he was obviously not hit with the same type of shot and/or in the same area... I mean.. C'mon..
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Originally posted by Addison View PostI appreciate your exploration, but we have to work with the films.
There's holes all over this.
But I will toss you a base level, generic answer - even though simple logic should prevent this..
So, alright....
Antonio, is Carlos Quintana as hard of a body puncher as Miguel Cotto?
(not that it matters.. just trying to make my point..)
You see, it all matters. Everything.
But anyway, if Cotto didn't get the same reaction he was obviously not hit with the same type of shot and/or in the same area... I mean.. C'mon..
I am thinking I dont like to lose.. And will bend and manipulate things if that's what it takes..
If a guy lands NEAR my nutsack.. and I think I can cost him a POINT if I make like it landed square ...
I just might Embelish things a little.. It's not so inplausible..Last edited by Welter_Skelter; 08-25-2007, 07:23 PM.
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Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View PostSo then there is NO chance Judah could have embelished things a little.. ??
I am thinking I dont like to lose.. And will bend and manipulate things if that's what it takes..
If a guy lands NEAR my nutsack.. and I think I can cost him a POINT if I make like it landed square ...
I just might Embelish things a little.. It's not so inplausible..
But how much less likely is it that the first low blow, the one most popularly disputed, should come in the first round - and Judah dives???
In the first round?
What's his motive? To get a DQ in the first round without a warning?
Not likely..
I'm sure even Zab may not have known at that point he would be TKO'd 10 rounds later.. Think about how you were feeling at that point as a guy who had points on Cotto.. You thought your man was in serious trouble after round one - didn't you? Honestly.
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Originally posted by Addison View PostI don't know.. Possibly.. Of course there is a chance.
But how much less likely is it that the first low blow, the one most popularly disputed, should come in the first round - and Judah dives???
In the first round?
What's his motive? To get a DQ in the first round without a warning?
Not likely..
I'm sure even Zab may not have known at that point he would be TKO'd 10 rounds later.. Think about how you were feeling at that point as a guy who had points on Cotto.. You thought your man was in serious trouble after round one - didn't you? Honestly.
and though he just Might NOT blow it this time.. and Would have been happy to lose my points if Just to see Judah Finally put it ALL together..
But the whole Reason I bet Against Him If You remember.. was NOT becasue I so much believed In Cotto.. But Because I doubted Judah..
But the Answer is Yes.. for a while I was Thinking Cotto was going to lose..
For Awhile I also though thought Floyd and Kostya were Going to lose Too..
Damn Judah is like Boxing's version of a **** tease..
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Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View PostSo then there is NO chance Judah could have embelished things a little.. ??
I am thinking I dont like to lose.. And will bend and manipulate things if that's what it takes..
If a guy lands NEAR my nutsack.. and I think I can cost him a POINT if I make like it landed square ...
I just might Embelish things a little.. It's not so inplausible..
Mainly though, I stick to my response because I can't speculate - and your reasoning is very strong.
I'm sure Judah thought he could knock Cotto out with one punch the entire fight - which partially explains his peformance outside of his injuries and coincides with what we've both said about Zab's output.
So no.. I don't think Judah dove because he thought it would help.
I think Zab was dumb enough to think he could end it with one punch.
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