Attention Mayweather fans.......

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I had to get it off my chest, some of these teenage newbie Mayweather lovers have no clue what they're talking about. I doubt many of them know that much about the sport in general, other than Mayweather's accomplishments of course. Hell, they probably saw his ass on "Cribs" and decided to watch him fight and have been swinging on his nuts ever since.

This is not true of all Mayweather fans, just the ones who are teenagers or don't know much about the sport. I'm a Mayweather fan and I like to think I know something about the sport, otherwise I've wasted 15 years of my life. Honestly I doubt many of them realize what exactly it takes to make that coveted list, that's why they spout off about it so much.

I hope this thread stays bumped for a few days so they can all read it and reply, hopefully in an intelligent and informed fashion.

I hate when kids in my school used to come up to me and be like, you know boxing, well dude i love mayweather, i saw his highlights on sportscenter. I'd tell them they were clowns and to get away from me.

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I don't think objectivity has anything to do with how much boxing experience you have. I don't talk about how good Ricky Hatton is, because I have only seen one of his fights. I have commented on how he looked against Castillo (great), and that is it.

I have only been watching live boxing since January 07, so I still have a lot to learn, but I don't think it's hard to be objective. Some boxers have flaws, but none of them "suck" (except for Arturo Gatti ) I gave credit where it is due.

I just don't know why this is so hard to do for some of the people on this forum, so I too am glad that you posted this. Hopefully it is a wake up call to some of the biased posters on here.

I find it incredible that you've only been watching since January of '07, but damn did you ever pick the right year to start watching my friend. This is the best year of fights in a long time because great fighters are opting to take on the best competition.

Anyway your post is spot on as I've come to expect from you and even though you're relatively new to the sport. I'd pick you over half the posters on this website because what you lack in old school knowledge, you more than make up for with intelligence and respect.

I doubt my post will do very little, if anything at all to quell the enormous amount of morons who post here daily but I'm optimistic. Regardles, it had to be said.

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if floyd mayweather is able to beat ricky hatton, miguel cotto, paul williams, and shane mosley, he still will not get any credit and a majority of people will still not consider him an all time great.. there's always another standard that he's gonna have to live up to

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if floyd mayweather is able to beat ricky hatton, miguel cotto, paul williams, and shane mosley, he still will not get any credit and a majority of people will still not consider him an all time great.. there's always another standard that he's gonna have to live up to

You're grasping for straws now. Mosley is one of the best of his era, Hatton, Cotto and Williams are all very hyped up, undefeated fighters with solid records. If Mayweather wiped out everybody that the public percieved to be a threat to him there's no way boxing writers and historians wouldn't take notice, because that's hardly ever been done.

Granted he would probably still catch some **** here in the court of public opinion, but if it's in the books does that really matter?

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There's only one way to become an all time great, and that's to constantly fight the best opponets possible.

did oscar fight the best opponents possible? I can tell you don't know what the **** you're talking about

Pick any all time great off any list and I guarantee you they not only fought the best in their era, but they have victories over other established greats. I also guarantee you that if you removed them from the history of the sport, the sport would not be the same afterward.

oscar beat two ATG's in sweet pea nad chavez. are you saying becoming a six division champ and defending your titles over 17 times does not contitutue ATG status duran had 12 title defenses in 119 fights and was 1-4 against his ATG in his era, what **** are you smoking if you're saying oscar is not ant ATG but duran is.

I don't think anybody who's been watching this sport for over 3 years (or over the age of 18) could make a compelling argument as to why mayweather is an all time great. He is the greatest of his era, that much is for sure and nobody can take that away from him. But who has he beaten who is a shoe-in to the list of the greatest fighters ever to lace up the boots?

5 titles in 5 weight classes becoming the ring champ at 130, 135, and 147 while remaining undefeated all before the age of 30! please name three fighters in the top ten ATG list who has accomplished as much as floyd by the age of 30

De La Hoya? He lost in every big match he ever had and was a far more sucessful businessman than boxer.

duran was 1-4 against the ATG of his era oscar was 2-4. You have yet to make sense in anything you have posted. ****ing newb

Castillo, or Corrales? While both men are tough as nails and have my utmost respect, nobody could logically argue that either of them were some of the best to ever do it.

in their weightclass find 5 better fighters and you might have a point.

Gatti? The man was always a C level bar brawler with little in the way on actual boxing talent and he won't even make the hall of fame, same goes for Carlos Baldomir. Zab Judah? Exciting prospect that never had the mental toughness to fully commit himself to an opponet who didn't "spark" him.

zab, gatti, and baldomir were on top of their game when they faced floyd. baldomir was onm a 7 year win streak, and zab was 1 win removed from the undisputed 147 championship. Gatti was coming off a 5 fight win streak, you seriously need to get with the program.

Do I need to pull out Hernandez, Mitchell, Corley, etc...?

hernandez was the ring champ at 130, the man to beat so to speak. corley was the former wbo champ and mitchell was also the fromer 140 wba champ. who else was there for floyd to fight at 140 besides these two.

Bottom line is this, Mayweather is the greatest of his era and that much will always be his. But unless he beats Hatton, Cotto, Mosley and Williams there's no way to make an argument for him being an all time great.

to be the greatest fighter of your era and not be on a person's ATG list means that person has to be a a ****ing idiot, or a racist which do you perfer

The only way for him to be an all time great is to wipe out his the entire division of all logical competition. Because none of his opponets were ever on anybody's list to be an all time great, because none of them (aside from De La Hoya's win over a deflated and old Chavez) ever beat another all time great.

floyd fought 70% of his fights at 130, the fact that he is facing the best 140lber in his fisrt title defense at 147 means nothing to a **** wad like yourself. if floyud beats hatton he will have beaten the best fighter at every weightclass from 130-147.

130: genaro hernandez
135: Jose Luis Castillo
140: ricky Hatton:
147: Carlos Baldomir

Accept it for what it is: the truth. Stop calling us "haters" and whatever other lame **** you like to throw around, we're veterans of the sport and we call it like it is. I'm sorry if this is unacceptable to you but in time you'll forget all about it.

you are a hater what other 130lb fighter is fighting 160lbers like oscar and baldomir. please name one in my lifetime

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did oscar fight the best opponents possible? I can tell you don't know what the **** you're talking about



oscar beat two ATG's in sweet pea nad chavez. are you saying becoming a six division champ and defending your titles over 17 times does not contitutue ATG status duran had 12 title defenses in 119 fights and was 1-4 against his ATG in his era, what **** are you smoking if you're saying oscar is not ant ATG but duran is.





5 titles in 5 weight classes becoming the ring champ at 130, 135, and 147 while remaining undefeated all before the age of 30! please name three fighters in the top ten ATG list who has accomplished as much as floyd by the age of 30



duran was 1-4 against the ATG of his era oscar was 2-4. You have yet to make sense in anything you have posted. ****ing newb





in their weightclass find 5 better fighters and you might have a point.




zab, gatti, and baldomir were on top of their game when they faced floyd. baldomir was onm a 7 year win streak, and zab was 1 win removed from the undisputed 147 championship. Gatti was coming off a 5 fight win streak, you seriously need to get with the program.



hernandez was the ring champ at 130, the man to beat so to speak. corley was the former wbo champ and mitchell was also the fromer 140 wba champ. who else was there for floyd to fight at 140 besides these two.




to be the greatest fighter of your era and not be on a person's ATG list means that person has to be a a ****ing idiot, or a racist which do you perfer




floyd fought 70% of his fights at 130, the fact that he is facing the best 140lber in his fisrt title defense at 147 means nothing to a **** wad like yourself. if floyud beats hatton he will have beaten the best fighter at every weightclass from 130-147.

130: genaro hernandez
135: Jose Luis Castillo
140: ricky Hatton:
147: Carlos Baldomir




you are a hater what other 130lb fighter is fighting 160lbers like oscar and baldomir. please name one in my lifetime

1.) No Oscar didn't fight the best opponets possible and that's why he's NOT An all time great, stay on subject here pal. Read the words I type carefully.

2.) Becoming a six division Champion and defending your titles 17 times is a superb accomplishment for any fighter but it's equal parts opposition as well as record. Duran fought 119 times, that's what made him great. Mayweather hasn't achieved a third of that total.

3.) Again, titles in different weight classes don't alone constitute being an all time great especially when you consider the accomplishments of the guys on the list. I could pick any 5 fighters off the greatest of all time list that were better than Floyd, but you'd still have a problem with them because you're obviously biased. Again, quality not quantity.

4.) Newb? I have over 3200 ****ing posts on this forum you moron and have a pretty solid reputation for being a pretty knowledgable person for someone my age (21). Stop bringing up Roberto Duran and Oscar De La Hoya in the same sentence.

5.) Zab Judah was coming off his career tanker is what he was coming off of, first to Tsyzu, then to Baldomir. Baldomir was coming off a 7 year winning streak against tin cans, he got lucky beating Judah because on any day of the week the man is not fit to carry Judah's gym bag. And Gatti!?! Tell me one great fighter Gatti beat and YOU might have a case.

6.) Don't bring up my race, I guaran-****ing-tee you wouldn't have even mentioned it if I weren't ballsy enough to put my actual picture up as my avatar. Calling me racist for speaking the truth about what it takes to be the greatest in a sport that I've watched for 15 years, pathetic.

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And by the way, who the **** are you to question me about anything related to boxing? You haven't even been here a month you ****ing pawn.

Had to get that off my chest, I look forward to talking to more Mayweather fans...hopefully more level headed than this little prick who dares to insinuate that I'm a racist based on my evaluation of Mayweather's standing in the sport.

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You're grasping for straws now. Mosley is one of the best of his era, Hatton, Cotto and Williams are all very hyped up, undefeated fighters with solid records. If Mayweather wiped out everybody that the public percieved to be a threat to him there's no way boxing writers and historians wouldn't take notice, because that's hardly ever been done.

Granted he would probably still catch some **** here in the court of public opinion, but if it's in the books does that really matter?

naw i think its true..
floyd has already accomplished alot
you cant name too many fighters that has done what floyd has done
Bringer already posted all the facts and accomplishments in the post above me
if he's accomplished so much and if he's the best fighter of his era, then how isnt he an all time great?
i know we're all entitled to our opinions and we dont have to like the same fighters but i can respect fighters i dont like and give them credit when it is due
im not saying floyd is the greatest ever, but to me he is an all time great
but i know alot people dont agree with me and its whatever opinions are opinions
i just feel that if floyd is able to defeat hatton, cotto, williams, and shane oor whoever else he still wont get his props

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naw i think its true..
floyd has already accomplished alot
you cant name too many fighters that has done what floyd has done
Bringer already posted all the facts and accomplishments in the post above me
if he's accomplished so much and if he's the best fighter of his era, then how isnt he an all time great?
i know we're all entitled to our opinions and we dont have to like the same fighters but i can respect fighters i dont like and give them credit when it is due
im not saying floyd is the greatest ever, but to me he is an all time great
but i know alot people dont agree with me and its whatever opinions are opinions
i just feel that if floyd is able to defeat hatton, cotto, williams, and shane oor whoever else he still wont get his props

I actually really like Mayweather, both as a fighter (he's amazing to watch from a technical standpoint) and as a person (his trash talking is mere game, anyone who's met him knows that). The mythical "Greatest Of All Time" list is one which was written by Historians, it's not up to fans to write it. I certainly think Mayweather deserves to be on the list more than Mike Tyson ever did (and he's on it), but again Historians write the history not fans.

I would personally replace Tyson with Mayweather, but I can't and Historians have proven to be ****** in the past. It takes something superhuman to make it onto that list, and I think Mayweather would have to do what I've already said in order for them to take his case under advisement.

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I actually really like Mayweather, both as a fighter (he's amazing to watch from a technical standpoint) and as a person (his trash talking is mere game, anyone who's met him knows that). The mythical "Greatest Of All Time" list is one which was written by Historians, it's not up to fans to write it. I certainly think Mayweather deserves to be on the list more than Mike Tyson ever did (and he's on it), but again Historians write the history not fans.

I would personally replace Tyson with Mayweather, but I can't and Historians have proven to be ****** in the past. It takes something superhuman to make it onto that list, and I think Mayweather would have to do what I've already said in order for them to take his case under advisement.

well i can respect your opinion and im glad you're not a jackass like some of the other posters on this board