who represents boxing better???

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who represents boxing better hatton or mayweather?????


and who represents you more as a fan hatton or mayweather????


i want to hear your side of who you think is a better representative for boxing as a whole? and who does the sport more justice?


i have respect for mayweather, he has got the physical gifts, the work ethics, and the smarts inside the ring, but as a whole he drops the ball in my opinion. i'm not going to go into a whole floyd bashing bid because that's not the point, but as for me and a lot others floyd doesn't represent me. he's not a guy that i can say he is doing what needs to be done to help the sport, he's not a guy that i can say yeah that is how it is, he's speaking the truth. i just don't get that from mayweather.

as far as hatton is concerned with that, i can say that he represents the sport better, he's been making an effort to bridge the gap between european over protected fighter and now becoming a world traveled fighter, more so then most American fighters, sad to say, but it's true. he has taken the steps to becoming a more rounded fighter. he makes exciting fights, brings action, and is a class act when it comes to boxing and all the elements involved with boxing.

me personally i have to swallow a little bit of pride when it comes to this because i am an American but i'm not a blind follower, i have to go with who i think is better for the sport. this isnt war that we are in, our countries aren't fighting one another, and this has nothing to with patriotism, this has to do with who better speaks for me and boxing as a whole through action and discourse.

what ever your opinion is i respect it, it's your opinion. i aint here to criticize anyone, i'm doing this to make people think deeply about what they see and say, think deeply about the elements that i think are being over looked due to some kind of biased opinion or sold on some marketing, or think one way because others do...............this is a peaceful offering.

who you got????????????

[BmoreBrawler]

hmm, good topic.

In the Ring:

Hatton-violates the unfortunately unspoken "holding" rule in boxing, but does it in a fast, action packed way so as to make it seem fine except to those who hate Hatton already. Gives 110% in the ring and shows a lot of passion and aggression. Crowd pleaser.

Mayweather-violates unfortunately unspoken AND unwritten judging methodology of making the challenger earn victories and show aggression in the ring by winning in spite of fulfilling said requirements. Pretty clean fighter overall though, does a little big of measuring and elbow-throwing but not too bad. Lately has been a complete ***** in the ring. Doesnt care about fighting or fans.

better in-ring ambassador for boxing: Hatton

Out of the ring:

hatton-drinks alot, but is a nice, somewhat classy guy(for a dirty brit )

mayweather-******, rotten, dirty mouth

out of the ring ambassador: Mayweather . He adds a lot of ****e to interviews, I think thats good for boxing. This ones close though, Hatton is somewhat of a curiosity to the general public I think. He could do well too.

so.... If mayweather grows some nads in the ring, he is the better ambassador because he makes boxing hype-oriented. Being black is not a show-stopper...hip hop culture is popular enough to allow such a boxer to be mainstream as long as he appeals to the 25-45 crowd as well(like RJJ).

on the other hand, RIGHT NOW Hatton has the better style to put boxing back on the map as they compete with UFC for dominance in the fight-sport arena. Hatton being white helps, I hate to admit it.


Regardless of who wins, wouldnt it be great to see boxing take its place as one of the big four american sports (kicking out hockey), instead of "just another olympic sport" like the mayweathers spinks', and ruiz's of the world have made it out to be?

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hmm, good topic.

In the Ring:

Hatton-violates the unfortunately unspoken "holding" rule in boxing, but does it in a fast, action packed way so as to make it seem fine except to those who hate Hatton already. Gives 110% in the ring and shows a lot of passion and aggression. Crowd pleaser.

Mayweather-violates unfortunately unspoken AND unwritten judging methodology of making the challenger earn victories and show aggression in the ring by winning in spite of fulfilling said requirements. Pretty clean fighter overall though, does a little big of measuring and elbow-throwing but not too bad. Lately has been a complete ***** in the ring. Doesnt care about fighting or fans.

better in-ring ambassador for boxing: Hatton

Out of the ring:

hatton-drinks alot, but is a nice, somewhat classy guy(for a dirty brit )

mayweather-******, rotten, dirty mouth

out of the ring ambassador: Mayweather . He adds a lot of ****e to interviews, I think thats good for boxing. This ones close though, Hatton is somewhat of a curiosity to the general public I think. He could do well too.

so.... If mayweather grows some nads in the ring, he is the better ambassador because he makes boxing hype-oriented. Being black is not a show-stopper...hip hop culture is popular enough to allow such a boxer to be mainstream as long as he appeals to the 25-45 crowd as well(like RJJ).

on the other hand, RIGHT NOW Hatton has the better style to put boxing back on the map as they compete with UFC for dominance in the fight-sport arena. Hatton being white helps, I hate to admit it.


Regardless of who wins, wouldnt it be great to see boxing take its place as one of the big four american sports (kicking out hockey), instead of "just another olympic sport" like the mayweathers spinks', and ruiz's of the world have made it out to be?

right on, like it, it's unbiased and speaking the truth as you see it. good way to break both sides down.........

[FIGHTING_FLIP]

MAYWEATHER!

in the ring, he defines what BOXING is.hit n not get hit.he out thinks you and take yous out of your game.

outside the ring he may be a little ****y but hey why not get under your opponents skin he'll get mad..when he gets mad, he'll get reckless..if he gets reckless, your on your way to gettin your ass kicked

outside of fights, mayweather stays in shape..unlike hatton who drinks all of that..ive heard mayweather doesnt drink OR smoke..which is the true definition of an athlete..staying focused, staying in shape and being dedicated to what you do

[DLT]

I disagree with the top 2 guys from a number of standpoints. You guys said things that most hard core fans and media would agree with but I think its completely unfair and Ive said that alot.

The biggest theme in both of your arguments and in most fans & media arguments is that Floyd is a boring fighter who doesnt try to engage at all and doesnt please the fans. My argument on that topic is that Floyd is easily P4P the smallest guy in boxing and he has fought in 5 weight classes. Floyd was a nice size 130 pounder and ever since then he has been way way way smaller then all his oppents. He was way smaller then everyone at LW and now he's fighting all his matches at WW. He's not that much bigger then he was at LW. Thats why I think its wrong for people to diss the way he fights when he is fighting guys in much higher weight classes and guys who are naturally way bigger. Its not the same as Hatton at all. Hatton has been at 140 from day 1 and he's the bigger guy in 90% of his fights. If that was Floyd's situation then he would be way more exciting. You cant deny that. At 130 Floyd was super exciting. Hatton wasnt even close to Floyd on excitment.

The fact is that Floyd couldve left 130 and finished his career at 135. At the most he should be moving up to 140 just about right now. That completely changes everything. Its not fair. Think about all those other exciting fighters. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, and so on. There all huge guys fighting at there natural weights and really have fought mostly at weights much smaller then they belong. Its easy to be exciting like that. You think Floyd wouldnt be exciting right now if he was still at 135 fighting Guzman, Soto, or Diaz? He would go toe to toe with those guys all day and would probally stop all of them. Instead he's fighting Oscar at 154 and gets ripped for not going toe to toe with him and he's not even a power fighter anyways. He gets ripped for not fighting with Baldy who cant even be hurt by SMW's. Even with all of that I think people overreact to Floyd being boring. I always say that its like people only remember his last 2 fights. His previous 6 before that were very exciting. He started punishing Zab, he stopped Mitchell, he destroyed Gatti, he KO Bruseles, he dropped Chop twice in a exciting fight, and he destroyed N'Dou. All of those fights just happened in a row before the Baldy fight but no one remembers them. You cant say that he was boring in those fights. He was Offensive alot.

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I disagree with the top 2 guys from a number of standpoints. You guys said things that most hard core fans and media would agree with but I think its completely unfair and Ive said that alot.

The biggest theme in both of your arguments and in most fans & media arguments is that Floyd is a boring fighter who doesnt try to engage at all and doesnt please the fans. My argument on that topic is that Floyd is easily P4P the smallest guy in boxing and he has fought in 5 weight classes. Floyd was a nice size 130 pounder and ever since then he has been way way way smaller then all his oppents. He was way smaller then everyone at LW and now he's fighting all his matches at WW. He's not that much bigger then he was at LW. Thats why I think its wrong for people to diss the way he fights when he is fighting guys in much higher weight classes and guys who are naturally way bigger. Its not the same as Hatton at all. Hatton has been at 140 from day 1 and he's the bigger guy in 90% of his fights. If that was Floyd's situation then he would be way more exciting. You cant deny that. At 130 Floyd was super exciting. Hatton wasnt even close to Floyd on excitment.

The fact is that Floyd couldve left 130 and finished his career at 135. At the most he should be moving up to 140 just about right now. That completely changes everything. Its not fair. Think about all those other exciting fighters. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, and so on. There all huge guys fighting at there natural weights and really have fought mostly at weights much smaller then they belong. Its easy to be exciting like that. You think Floyd wouldnt be exciting right now if he was still at 135 fighting Guzman, Soto, or Diaz? He would go toe to toe with those guys all day and would probally stop all of them. Instead he's fighting Oscar at 154 and gets ripped for not going toe to toe with him and he's not even a power fighter anyways. He gets ripped for not fighting with Baldy who cant even be hurt by SMW's. Even with all of that I think people overreact to Floyd being boring. I always say that its like people only remember his last 2 fights. His previous 6 before that were very exciting. He started punishing Zab, he stopped Mitchell, he destroyed Gatti, he KO Bruseles, he dropped Chop twice in a exciting fight, and he destroyed N'Dou. All of those fights just happened in a row before the Baldy fight but no one remembers them. You cant say that he was boring in those fights. He was Offensive alot.

you have valid points, i didn't say floyd was boring, actually i've said the same things you just mentioned about floyd being offensive in his previous fights, in other threads. floyd used to go for the kill, he used to try and get guys out of there, he's carried a lot of fights that he could've stopped, but hey, he does what he does, and i aint getting at that. i was thinking more along the lines as who represents boxing and you better, which guy i guess you relate to more or have a common bond? that type thing, what's the connection.

floyd is good, and like i've said when i met him he was nice to me, but others that i know he's treated like ****. so what you know, everyone doesn't like everyone, but who represents you better, hatton or floyd, or any other boxer for that matter.

which boxer represents what you want out of boxing? as a whole, more than just a good fight?

this is for everyone, i'm not just singling out you, peace.

[Welter_Skelter]

I think Mayweather better represents The Entertainment side of Things..While Ricky Hatton is a Better Ambassador for the sport Itself..

Both Kind of Players are equaly Important.. Without people taking sides.. You have no Drama..

[No1]

Hatton without a doubt.
Mayweather is the type of person that makes these steriotypes about black men with him acting like a **** and beating his wife.
I'd love hatton to ko this **** but i dnt think it'll happen as mayweather is the better fighter by far.

[DLT]

you have valid points, i didn't say floyd was boring, actually i've said the same things you just mentioned about floyd being offensive in his previous fights, in other threads. floyd used to go for the kill, he used to try and get guys out of there, he's carried a lot of fights that he could've stopped, but hey, he does what he does, and i aint getting at that. i was thinking more along the lines as who represents boxing and you better, which guy i guess you relate to more or have a common bond? that type thing, what's the connection.

floyd is good, and like i've said when i met him he was nice to me, but others that i know he's treated like ****. so what you know, everyone doesn't like everyone, but who represents you better, hatton or floyd, or any other boxer for that matter.

which boxer represents what you want out of boxing? as a whole, more than just a good fight?

this is for everyone, i'm not just singling out you, peace.

yeah, I was going to finish your question but after I wrote all of that I didnt feel like writing anymore.

Im a hardcore boxing fan and I like all types of boxers. I may be wrong but I think most people dont feel that way anymore, including hardcore fans and the media. I think most people now just want to see blood & guts. They want to see brawlers and so on. I like brawlers. I was a big fan of Tito, Chico, and a ton of other guys. I fight that way myelf. However, I also love boxers. I love the fact that I can see a guy who's much smaller and physically overmatched still be able to win against a big strong monster because he has mastered the sweet science. I could watch a boxer all day and appreciate his greatness while most people will call them boring.

Overall, Floyd represents me the most because he's a boxer and more of a hip hop guy. I think he represents well by being the best conditioned boxer and hardest trainer out there. People call him ****y and talk about his talent but that hasnt gotten him to the top and kept him there. He's at the top because he puts in work. I think his mouth overshadows that at time. People talk about his work ethic but they do it in a nonchalant way. He doesnt cheat the sport at all. He works hard non stop and never poisons his body with bad food, alcohol, ciggs, or drugs.

Hatton is probally the better representer for the casual fan. Most of them just want to see all out fights. I do think he holds too much but he still has his exciting moments. He talks well and is very intelligent. I do think that people give him and some other over seas guys like Tsyzu too much of a pass though. Im saying that people rip guys like Floyd for there mouths but Hatton, Tsyzu, and others are way more ****ier then people give them credit for. They will not hesitate to talk smack. They just dont do it with curse-words so people think its ok but they will brag on themselves and put other guys down very quick.

I think that Floyd represents well in the media also. Its just in a completely different way. He sells himself but talking smack and being controversial but I dont see why people hate that so much. If this was any other sport then I might agree with the people but this is boxing. Boxing was built off of arrogence and people talking **** to eachoter. Why does everyone have to be a choir boy? I think its great that the sport has all different kind of personalites. I definatly dont want every fighter to be humble and quiet. I like when they talk ****. It just makes the upcoming fight more excitintg

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hatton-drinks alot, but is a nice, somewhat classy guy(for a dirty brit )

Americans have to many hang-ups about a man who drinks too much! He drinks as much as any other average working class English man.