The Pound for Pound list, does it need to be revised?

[Technical_Skill]

Pound 4 pound is mythical of course, but surely the ring magazine and other boxing en****** need to revised the way they select the top 10 pound for pound fighters in the world. The reason i say this is because the top 10 p4p isnt the 10 best fighters in the world regardless of weight which is what i think it is supposed to be.

Last week i sat down and watched Rafeal Marquez, now clearly he is one of the best boxers in the world and deserves to be shortlisted as one of the best fighters in the world, Joel Casamayor, who alot of people say never lost a fight (he got robbed several times according to some) and a guy who has been the best fighter at 135 for some time now is clearly one of the best boxers in the world.

Now the point im making is, how does casamayor not get on the list but miguel cotto, hatton and calzaghe, can? It doesnt make sense, Casaymayor has been in with better fighters than these guys and is a better boxers than these guys. Its nothing to do with bias, but if you look at the p4p it seems to be fuled more by hype as well as boxing credentials.

What did winky wright ever do to be considered the 3rd best fighter in the world, be honest, he was off the radar till he beat a blown up mosley and their 2nd fight was real close, is Manny Pacquaio really the 2nd best fighter in the world?

What about fighters at the lower weights? it seems they often get neglected in favor of the welterwight and middleweight guys.

I think Pound for pound lists should be revised and a list made of the 10 best fighters in the world( which of course is indiviual opinion) rather than deciding on who moves up weight or who makes the most defences, if anything, i think those should be secondary factors.

[kayjay]

I disagree, I think there are TOO many sub 135lb fighters on the list. But I am prejudiced against the midgets as I've often made clear.

[Technical_Skill]

I disagree, I think there are TOO many sub 135lb fighters on the list. But I am prejudiced against the midgets as I've often made clear.

Right now only four of the ten are sub 135,

Im not sure about Isreal Vasquez being number 5 tho, that doesnt seem right.

[kayjay]

I'll elaborate in a way that accords with your point: too many underweight fighters on the list is indeed bad for promotion of the sport, as most casual boxing fans as well as some hardcore fans don't recognize the divisions below lightweight. So maybe you're right as far as desert is concerned, but I wouldn't complain.

[kayjay]

Right now only four of the ten are sub 135,

Im not sure about Isreal Vasquez being number 5 tho, that doesnt seem right.

40% is a ****ing ****load. What percentage of grown, healthy men weigh below that mark?

[Technical_Skill]

I'll elaborate in a way that accords with your point: too many underweight fighters on the list is indeed bad for promotion of the sport, as most casual boxing fans as well as some hardcore fans don't recognize the divisions below lightweight. So maybe you're right as far as desert is concerned, but I wouldn't complain.

It's not about promoting the sport, its about listing the 10 best fighters in the world, the p4p list right now, does not contain the 10 best fighters in the world, a few of the best fighters in the world arent even in the 10.

[kayjay]

It's not about promoting the sport, its about listing the 10 best fighters in the world, the p4p list right now, does not contain the 10 best fighters in the world, a few of the best fighters in the world arent even in the 10.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I personally just don't rate the small guys and don't pretend to have a valid list. But your point can otherwise be stated: your list is different than Ring's.

[Technical_Skill]

I'm not saying you're wrong, I personally just don't rate the small guys and don't pretend to have a valid list. But your point can otherwise be stated: your list is different than Ring's.

I dont think i could name 10 in order, obviously you know who is number one, you know what i would STILL consider de la hoya after what he did on may 5th, he did so well, the best fighter mayweather has fought so far.

[BrooklynBomber]

It's not about promoting the sport, its about listing the 10 best fighters in the world, the p4p list right now, does not contain the 10 best fighters in the world, a few of the best fighters in the world arent even in the 10.

You see, boxing in itself in lower devisions is very different sport from the higher devision.s And it all comes from a very simple entity called punch power. Let me just put it this way, the power increase goes exponentually with the weight but the strength of the chin does not. Why am I talking about this? Simply because it is easier to look like an excellent fighter in the lower devisions because the chance of getting knocked the **** out with just one punch is substantially lower. That's why you see so many more fierce wars at the lower weights(which, ironically, lead to more knockouts) rather then higher. But the higher the weight devision goes, the harder it is to actually to box(more body weight=less maneuver margin for all the tricky moves and combos and higher chance to get knocked out with one punch).
That's why I only agree with your initial argument only to extent. These guys are great fighters, but they are in a much more beneficial surroundings to make them look great. IMO, the p4p was created for the 135 to 175 weight margine.

[kayjay]

I dont think i could name 10 in order, obviously you know who is number one, you know what i would STILL consider de la hoya after what he did on may 5th, he did so well, the best fighter mayweather has fought so far.

I'm glad to hear you think that. How many guys could have beaten Oscar that night? Oscar is in a position that he only ever has to fight the top one or two guys in the sport, hence his losses.

Naming a top ten is an unwinnable game.