Do KO's even matter any more?

[.Mik.]

It all depends on what do you expect from a fighter.


Take Wlad for example, do you think he would get as much credit for decisioning Ray Austin(although beating him conclusively in every round) then knocking him out in 2?

So, it applies differently in different cases and match ups.

You raise an interesting point. For some reason we require Heavyweights to use incredible power to knock their opponents out, instead of masterful skills to out-tactic them to a strong decision victory. Moreso than we do with any other division. Why?

Is this also why we're ending up with a load of hugely massive fighters who are in questionable shape and put on fight after fight of aimless skill-less slugging...with a few exceptions of course?

[P4PGOAT]

KO's are prestigious.

You can make all the excuses in the world when you lose a decision.
"Oh, I wasn't ready for this fight." or "The judges robbed me." or "He kept hitting me low so I was taken out of my fight."

When you KO an opponent, what the **** can they say?

"I made a mistake, he reacted and I got knocked the **** out."

KOs > Decisions

i disagree. if you get KO'd, you can always say "it was a lucky punch. put me in the ring with that guy 10 times, and 8 or 9 times out of 10 i'll be the one who lands the knock out punch. he just happened to be lucky that this time he got in there 1st".

When Rahman KO'd Lewis, i didnt think "damn he's a much better boxer than Lewis is". but if he'd owned him for 12 rounds and one a big UD, i probably would have.


Bottom line, I love seeing fight finish with a dramatic KO, but people can and will make excuses about anything.

[P4PGOAT]

You raise an interesting point. For some reason we require Heavyweights to use incredible power to knock their opponents out, instead of masterful skills to out-tactic them to a strong decision victory. Moreso than we do with any other division. Why?

Is this also why we're ending up with a load of hugely massive fighters who are in questionable shape and put on fight after fight of aimless skill-less slugging...with a few exceptions of course?

for me this is cos in the smaller weight divisions you tend to see more speed, skills, and stamina. so when i choose to watch heavyweight boxing, there's one BIG reason why. the one thing they're always gonna have over the smaller guys is power, so that's kinda what i tune in to see.

[El Dominicano]

I want to say that I am huge fan of
Joan Guzman
Benard Hopkins
PBF
Cotto
and that I really don't care if they win by U.D K.O T.K.O
As long as they get the win. Those that go for the K.O are always the ones that end up getting K.O'd.

[squealpiggy]

You dont think that people can make excuses for being knocked out? Lewis did.

Lewis was fairly philosophical about his knockout losses. He didn't make excuses. he said he got caught, which is the simple truth. And he went on to completely dominate in the rematch (although in the case of McCall this is slightly unfair, McCall was obviously messed up).

[Sin City]

a TKO is still considered a KO

[.Mik.]

I want to say that I am huge fan of
Joan Guzman
Benard Hopkins
PBF
Cotto
and that I really don't care if they win by U.D K.O T.K.O
As long as they get the win. Those that go for the K.O are always the ones that end up getting K.O'd.

Why not Calzaghe?

Lewis was fairly philosophical about his knockout losses. He didn't make excuses. he said he got caught, which is the simple truth. And he went on to completely dominate in the rematch (although in the case of McCall this is slightly unfair, McCall was obviously messed up).

Saying that he was caught IS an excuse in this situation. He's not saying "Yes, I was beaten by the better fighter" which he couldnt possibly have argued against had he taken a 12 round raping, he's saying that they were lucky shots caused mostly by Lewis' own carelessness. You see what I mean?

a TKO is still considered a KO

Not for the purposes of this discussion. We're talking about actual knockouts as opposed to stoppages.

[eazy_mas]

here is something pre-fight between Castillo and Mayweather talking about hands problem , very informative

[BmoreBrawler]

If you at no point go for a KO, you dont really deserve to win a FIGHT unless its just a complete slaughter. Make it a fight, not just a fencing match with gloves, please. Thats how boxing was designed to be from the beginning, its why we have judges and not just punch counters.

[squealpiggy]

Saying that he was caught IS an excuse in this situation. He's not saying "Yes, I was beaten by the better fighter" which he couldnt possibly have argued against had he taken a 12 round raping, he's saying that they were lucky shots caused mostly by Lewis' own carelessness. You see what I mean?

I know what you mean but the result in the rematch pretty much confirms what he said.

Besides which stoppages are still important, it just isn't 12345678910yerout as much.