Atlas's comment on FNF regarding EM

**Fox McCloud** · 08-11-2007, 02:51 PM

I don't know about on the level with Gatti and Ward, but I do agree that he is overrated. He is exciting as hell, and a pretty good fighter, but I think he was made by his fights with MAB and vice versa. No one played defense in any of his big fights, MAB, Pacquiao. The only person I can remember that did play defense against him beat him, Zahir Raheem. I don't know, I just think the fact that his fights were exciting and for world titles made him seem like more than he was.

**Kball15** · 08-11-2007, 03:03 PM

LOLOLOLOL

Let me see how many great fighters i can list, that were victims of Erik Morales

Manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Paulie Ayala
Junior Jones
Daniel Zaragoza
ummmm, Kevin Kelly... Jesus Chavez...

Erik Morales was a Great fighter.

I agreed with Teddy that he doesnt belong up there with the Mexican greats, but it takes an A++++++++++++++ fighter to be even mentioned up there.

Mexico has produced legends, like Chavez and Sanchez, who are both some of the greatest fighters of all time!

Thats like saying is Erik Morales an all time great? no. But was he a great fighter? absoluetly. C+?!?!?!?! get that **** outta here

**DLT** · 08-11-2007, 03:14 PM

I think you guys are forgetting how good Morales was. He was a straight up stud and his resume was 10x better then you give him credit for. He use to kill top rated guys easily. He definatly is a HOF and easily one of the best Mexican fighters ever. You could say that Sanchez & Chaves were on a different level but EM was just one lower along with MAB. People see him & MAB fight now and they forget how good they were in there primes. They were monsters. People sweat that Izzy-Marquez fight and talk about the skill level but that skill level was nothing compared to EM-MAB 1. Those guys were on a whole different level.

Infact, if you want to argue about somone being overrated then you could easily aruge that Chaves is the overrated one with a puffed up resume and got dominated by pure boxers. If you really wanted to you could make a argument that EM was the better fighter IMO. The problem is that people nowdays love to diss our fighters and severly overrate fighters in the 80's and before. I hate it when people do that. The thing was that boxing was a bigger sport then and we treat those guys like Gods but they werent. There are a bunch of fighters from this era who would give those guys hell any day of the week and EM is one of them.

Now the thing you could argue against EM was that he dominated alot because he was so big for his weight class, like Atlas said. He killed himself to make weight and it hurt him later in his career. He was a shell of his former self but on the other hand, if he didnt kill himself to make that weight then he probally wouldnt have been as dominant in the higher classes. Nowdays you can say that about a ton of guys though, e****ally all those freaks at WW who clearly belong at 154 and thats why there great

**boogbx** · 08-11-2007, 03:16 PM

Erick Morales was a great fighter, and he deserves all the recognition in the world.

After 3 wars with MAB, who is also a all time great, he comes back and beats the **** out of a prime Pacman.

If that doesn't equate greatness, nothing will. Oh yeah, he would've beaten Olivares. I'm not one for imaginary match ups, but yes, Morales would've beaten Olivares.

People forget how strong and untouchable Morales looked at lighter weights. But he always won, and gave us some great fights.

**Kball15** · 08-11-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by DLT

People sweat that Izzy-Marquez fight and talk about the skill level but that skill level was nothing compared to EM-MAB 1. Those guys were on a whole different level.

I agreed with the rest of the post but this is straight up wrong. Vazquez and Marquez are among the most talented in the sport today. And they went to war.

I think the skill in that fight was equal to the skill in Morales-Barrera, if not slightly less, but they produced a much better fight if u ask me.

Morales-Barrera 1 is one of the most overated fights of the decade, as great as it was. The third fight was the real fight. In the first fight, especially the classic round 5, not many flush shots were being landed

**�ringer** · 08-11-2007, 03:23 PM

Teddy Atlas is talking out of his ass, again. I agree that Erik Morales doesn't make it to the top of the list as far as Mexican greats go but as previously said, that's because that list is loaded with A+++++++ guys. But Morales a C class fighter on the level of Ward and Gatti? Give me a break, Morales beat much better competition than those guys could ever even dream of beating. Morales could beat Gatti and Ward at the same time with one hand tied behind his back.

Morales isn't one of the greatest but he's also not a C class guy either. I'd say he's in the B to B+ class.

**DLT** · 08-11-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Kball15

I agreed with the rest of the post but this is straight up wrong. Vazquez and Marquez are among the most talented in the sport today. And they went to war.

I think the skill in that fight was equal to the skill in Morales-Barrera, if not slightly less, but they produced a much better fight if u ask me.

Morales-Barrera 1 is one of the most overated fights of the decade, as great as it was. The third fight was the real fight. In the first fight, especially the classic round 5, not many flush shots were being landed

actually, I think the complete opposite. To me the talent in the Izzy-Marquez fight was overrated. Alot of there shots seemed slow, telegraphed, and I dont know if it was bad Shotime sound quality or what but there power was definatly overrated in that fight. The only thing that made it great was there bruises but both of those guys have looked like that before. I rewatched the MAB-EM fight right before that on Comcast Demand and it was even more skill then I remembered. Both of those guys punches were so much sharper the these guys and P4P it wasnt even close. I bet each of those guys wouldve killed Izzy & Raffy in that fight

**Kball15** · 08-11-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by DLT

actually, I think the complete opposite. To me the talent in the Izzy-Marquez fight was overrated. Alot of there shots seemed slow, telegraphed, and I dont know if it was bad Shotime sound quality or what but there power was definatly overrated in that fight. The only thing that made it great was there bruises but both of those guys have looked like that before. I rewatched the MAB-EM fight right before that on Comcast Demand and it was even more skill then I remembered. Both of those guys punches were so much sharper the these guys and P4P it wasnt even close. I bet each of those guys wouldve killed Izzy & Raffy in that fight

Im not sayint he SKILL in Morales-Barrera wasnt great, they showed great offense and defense in that fight, but i think the fight itself is overrated.

And Vazquez's left hook is probably the hardest punch in the division, and Marquez has bombs in both hands.

The power and skill in both those guys is outstanding.

and that last statement is just rediculous IMO. as great as MAB and EM are, we are talking about two more great fighters in RM and IV. i would pick EM and MAB over both of them probably, but we are talking great fights that end in close decisions IMO. MAYBE Em stops Marquez, but thats a maybe

**abdiel2k3** · 08-11-2007, 03:34 PM

just plain ******ed to compare morales to gatti
the only thing u can compare
is that they both had no reserve about giving their all in a fight
but the skill levels are in no way compareable

Atlas's comment on FNF regarding EM