Prime Mike Tyson? Would he be Undisputed Heavyweight champion in this era

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  • Ironside
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    #51
    Originally posted by MaceTheAce
    You ****ing tool, cant wait for you to get slated over this comment, he was winning the fight because he had a 1 inch longer each right?
    ****ing ******, get on a site about the magic roundabout.
    you're too ****** to even understand the concept, if 2 guys fight and they are jabbers, height is gonna matter. IDK why i waste time with you.

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    • Verstyle
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      #52
      Originally posted by BrooklynBomber
      How many late knockouts does Tyson have again? And against who?


      I think it is pretty much a given that Tyson did not like the later rounds(given his style and all) Or are you saying that Tyson was not in his prime against Douglas?

      C'mon, he was what, 25?
      First off,age doesnt make prime.And for the late knockouts? Jose Ribalta(10),Tyrell Biggs(7th)),Pinklon Thomas(6th),Bruno(5th),Ruddock(7th). But this is besides the point,when have you seen him physically tired. Ive seen alot of stamina driven small guys that dont always get kos at the end Manny P is one of them. His stamina was on top back in those days.Its hard to even go 3 rounds with that style let alone 12rounds or 10. First sign I saw of his getting tired was in the Douglas fight. You're making the mistake alot of ppl make.Thinking he tired alot cause he didnt ko the ppl. Its nearly impossible to ko everyone.Even Big George didnt do that. I watch Tyson everyday on dvd or my phone or my computer(prime only) And I never seen him tire.

      And was the Douglas fight his prime? I gotta say yes it is.He just did poor training for ppl to think otherwise.
      Last edited by Verstyle; 08-08-2007, 03:26 PM.

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        #53
        Originally posted by VERSATILE2K7
        First off,age doesnt make prime.And for the late knockouts? Jose Ribalta(10),Tyrell Biggs(7th)),Pinklon Thomas(6th),Bruno(5th),Ruddock(7th). But this is besides the point,when have you seen him physically tired. Ive seen alot of stamina driven small guys that dont always get kos at the end Manny P is one of them. His stamina was on top back in those days.Its hard to even go 3 rounds with that style let alone 12rounds or 10. First sign I saw of his getting tired was in the Douglas fight. You're making the mistake alot of ppl make.Thinking he tired alot cause he didnt ko the ppl. Its nearly impossible to ko everyone.Even Big George didnt do that. I watch Tyson everyday on dvd or my phone or my computer(prime only) And I never seen him tire.

        And was the Douglas fight his prime? I gotta say yes it is.He just did poor training for ppl to think otherwise.
        Well, it usually does, especially for a guy who was considered to be the P4P king when he was what, 22? As for the guys you mentioned, only Ribalta(who the **** is that?) can be considered a late knockout, everyone else is in middle rounds.

        As for your argument about going the distance and not being tired I would accept it with anyone else but Tyson, Tyson's style was developed to knock people out, not go the distance. You said it yourself, his style is very taxing and when your style is taxing you tend to get tired in the later rounds, right?

        Thus goes my belief that a big(ger) and durable opponent that would be able to tie Tyson up and not let him execute his gameplan, while taking him into a later round has a very good chance of beating him.

        That's why I picked Peter and Brewster

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          #54
          Originally posted by BrooklynBomber
          Well, it usually does, especially for a guy who was considered to be the P4P king when he was what, 22? As for the guys you mentioned, only Ribalta(who the **** is that?) can be considered a late knockout, everyone else is in middle rounds.

          As for your argument about going the distance and not being tired I would accept it with anyone else but Tyson, Tyson's style was developed to knock people out, not go the distance. You said it yourself, his style is very taxing and when your style is taxing you tend to get tired in the later rounds, right?

          Thus goes my belief that a big(ger) and durable opponent that would be able to tie Tyson up and not let him execute his gameplan, while taking him into a later round has a very good chance of beating him.

          That's why I picked Peter and Brewster
          Well thats your opinion buddy.I cant hate that.

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            #55
            Originally posted by BrooklynBomber
            Well, it usually does, especially for a guy who was considered to be the P4P king when he was what, 22? As for the guys you mentioned, only Ribalta(who the **** is that?) can be considered a late knockout, everyone else is in middle rounds.

            As for your argument about going the distance and not being tired I would accept it with anyone else but Tyson, Tyson's style was developed to knock people out, not go the distance. You said it yourself, his style is very taxing and when your style is taxing you tend to get tired in the later rounds, right?

            Thus goes my belief that a big(ger) and durable opponent that would be able to tie Tyson up and not let him execute his gameplan, while taking him into a later round has a very good chance of beating him.

            That's why I picked Peter and Brewster
            Peter & Brewster aren't fighters that would tie you up & try to get you in the later rounds. They aren't boxers that rely on that kind of strategy. They are sluggers that would be in Tyson's face trying to KO him. I don't think Brewster would beat Tyson is his prime. I don't think any boxer that gets hit as much as he does would be able to with stand the heat that Tyson used to bring. Same with Peter except he might last longer but would eventually get hurt through the course of the fight.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Knicksman20
              Peter & Brewster aren't fighters that would tie you up & try to get you in the later rounds. They aren't boxers that rely on that kind of strategy. They are sluggers that would be in Tyson's face trying to KO him. I don't think Brewster would beat Tyson is his prime. I don't think any boxer that gets hit as much as he does would be able to with stand the heat that Tyson used to bring. Same with Peter except he might last longer but would eventually get hurt through the course of the fight.
              They would since he is a much smaller guy and hits hard, that's like a natural thing to do in order to save themselves. And tyson would not capitalise on that, he was always rather timid in the clinch or fighting out of it.

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                #57
                LEt me clarify sometihng about styles, most of the people here somehow believe that if some attribute is not a part of a given style of a given fighter then that fighter would never do it. This is essentially wrong since when we talk about the fighters of the highest class, they can do anything in the boxing book, it's just that they may not be very efficient with the maneuvers that are out of their style especially against certain opposition but still thye are taught to do everything. Furthermore, the good fighters usually analyse their opponent and then pick an optimal route of action to beat him. Yeah, you can say that neither Peter nor Brewster are much of a clinchers and they may be not, but even little of that ability coupled with their size and strength advantage would be enough to be able to tie up someone like Tyson.

                But that's just my IMO

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by msagrain
                  i couldent se tyson reaching the hight of the beast from the east lol
                  Incorrect MSA!!! I was thinking about this today on the bus. Tyson would **** him up so bad. The Beast is so clumsy and slow, Tyson would be on him like a fly on **** and put his ogre face right to the back of his ****ing skull.
                  THE END.


                  You know what, get Tyson out of retirement and get him in the ring NOW!.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by BrooklynBomber
                    They would since he is a much smaller guy and hits hard, that's like a natural thing to do in order to save themselves. And tyson would not capitalise on that, he was always rather timid in the clinch or fighting out of it.
                    A zebra can't change its stripes & neither would these too. Boxing isn't neither of their strengths & they would be playing into Tysons hands by trying to jab & box him. Imagine Brewster & Peter trying to fight off the back foot? Highly unlikely. Brewster & Peter are fighters not boxers & both of them take way too many punches to beat a prime Tyson. And they aren't much bigger than Tyson either both are 6'1 or under & Tyson is always the shorter man going into a fight.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Knicksman20
                      A zebra can't change its stripes & neither would these too. Boxing isn't neither of their strengths & they would be playing into Tysons hands by trying to jab & box him. Imagine Brewster & Peter trying to fight off the back foot? Highly unlikely. Brewster & Peter are fighters not boxers & both of them take way too many punches to beat a prime Tyson. And they aren't much bigger than Tyson either both are 6'1 or under & Tyson is always the shorter man going into a fight.
                      Peter is 6.1 and brewster is 6.2.

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