Marquez Didn't Impress Pacquiao

[abdiel2k3]

Giving credit where credit is due, Marquez is one of the best counter-punchers that has emerged in recent years; his record speaks eloquently of how much power is behind those counter-punches. Having said that, let me quickly add that counter-punchers throughout the ages ply their trade on the basis of one dictum: "let the opponent bring the action to me." That being so, they focus on how and where they can hit their on-coming foe and less on avoiding the punches the foe is throwing. Marquez's continually bleeding nose in Pacquiao-Marquez, the three knockdowns in one round in the same fight, and the lump under Marquez's eye in Marquez-Salido are recent testimonials that not only can Marquez be hit, he can be hit BIG! The Pac knockdowns were not Marquez's firsts; he fell to lesser foes, previously. It is from these knockdowns that the legend of Marquez's great recuperative powers has been woven. He came back each time he fell, not the least of which were those in the Pacquiao fight. But what if Marquez gets hit by a real whammy! Pacquiao through much of each of rounds in their meeting devoted his efforts on doing that but never got to doing it. Salido, like Medina, Gainer and others, before them, doesn't have enough power to even merely contemplate the possibility of doing that. Nonetheless, Salido showed how to open Marquez up: not the way Manny tried to do it-- setting up with a light jab for a left straight for which Marquez with his ring experience easily wises up to-- but to dish out a plethora of punches that not only takes Marquez out of any counter-punching rhythm but put Marquez back on his heels. Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up, with the exception of Ali whenever he went on a counter-punching mode in his prime. Barrera is also one of the best counter-punchers. But when he was taken off his rhythm and overwhelmed by Pacman's punches, he cracked. Notice how he insisted to the ringside doc that the fight should be stopped because of his cut? First time ever I saw Barrera craving to get out of the ring fast! His mind was scanning for excuses-- "honorable" ways out-- instead of solving the pressing Pacquiao problem he was facing. Barrera had brain surgery in 1997; was this why he was worried and wanted that quick, albeit, "honorable" exit? Whatever the reason, the fight showed that Pacquiao's hand speed, footwork quickness, menu of punches (if he uses it instead of relying too much on a jab-straight combo) and power, combined, can mean "lights out!" for an excellent counter-puncher such as Marquez, as they meant to Barrera. As for Morales, of the three M's, he has the best jab and he is not shy about using it extensively and well when opportunity presents itself. Barrera's jab which he used against Hamed went on leave in the Pacquiao fight. Marquez just waited for the chance to counter. Will Morales jab Pacquiao silly before dishing out his best? If he does can Paquiao get past the Morales jab? He'll try, I'm sure; but can he? The jab can be what would dictate the character of the fight. Maybe Manny should replace that often pawing jab of his with something a bit more telling. As for defense, Manny showed in the Barrera fight that he can shoulder roll; not as well as the best exponents of that skill but well enough. With Marquez, that shoulder roll was invisible. Freddie Roach is in for some real work.

wtf i read the beginin of your post but didnt feel like readen your whole book
it seems like u think i was taken credit from marquez?
if anythin i defended him
his style works altho many people felt he should be more agressive its just not his style
all i was sayin
i was the one that brought up that the fight i watched i thouroly enjopyed watching as he hit those nice combos

[abdiel2k3]

u should work on your summurazation skills
give the reader what is necessary
lol learned dat in my english101 class today
and dey say college is a waste

[grayfist]

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.

Thanks! That # on your avatar! She's something!

[m00ks]

good post grayfist. I even took out my dictionary lol.

[grayfist]

wtf i read the beginin of your post but didnt feel like readen your whole book
it seems like u think i was taken credit from marquez?
if anythin i defended him
his style works altho many people felt he should be more agressive its just not his style
all i was sayin
i was the one that brought up that the fight i watched i thouroly enjopyed watching as he hit those nice combos

I was not saying you were not giving Marquez the credit he deserves. All I tried to say was, on top of your observations, I raised Marquez's skills to the level where I view him as one of today's best counter-punchers. Then I added my observations about counter-punchers, both in general terms and in regard to Marquez. Hope that helps.

[Sir_Jose]

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.

WTF!!!

is he foreal?

yeah I guess Pernell Whitiker's punches were had no effect on his oponents and the same with that Ali guy.

[grayfist]

u should work on your summurazation skills
give the reader what is necessary
lol learned dat in my english101 class today
and dey say college is a waste

I must confess that my communications skills are all works in progress. I'll take your advice as I have taken similar ones before. And, yes, good for you! You learned something in your class today! Try to show it next time?

[m00ks]

That Morales' jab is what makes me 50/50. Morales has the ability to dictate the distance in a fight. I'm counting on those occassions on where Morales would drop the jab to mount offence and when he does I'm ******** that Pac's experience in wars, his strength and superior hand speed can damage Morales enough to take the fight. When Morales, is backed in the ropes, when it is believed he is most ineffective, Pac can take it to him. Both have power, both have chin but I think speed would win the fight.

[grayfist]

WTF!!!

is he foreal?

yeah I guess Pernell Whitiker's punches were had no effect on his oponents and the same with that Ali guy.

I mentioned Ali as an exception. I apologize for forgetting Pernell! There could be a few more who are and who were effective. Those were and are special people. There were and are precious few of them.

[abdiel2k3]

I must confess that my communications skills are all works in progress. I'll take your advice as I have taken similar ones before. And, yes, good for you! You learned something in your class today! Try to show it next time?

ok so ur agreed with me
ahh ok my bad
ya i noticed most your post are extremely long
but as i read them they were good
its just some times i dont feel like readen long posts
im sure most people can relate
i always learn and show it
next lesson is on descriptive essays
so look for my post to become excruciatingly detailed and vivid with words that will tingle all 6 of your senses
the 6th is your boxing sense which seems like most people on here were blessed with