Wlad fans are a delusional, pathetic bunch

[GranTorino]

I see more people are coming around to the reality that I suck

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[TheEvilSaint]

All of you. I have heard comparisons to Lennox Lewis. I have heard fans say that he would beat Bowe. The list goes on.

Wladimir is in the weakest HW division EVER. EVER.

Lennox Lewis was far better than Klitschkois today. I give Klit credit for many things. He is making the most of his skills. He has come back from defeats, albeit against washed up fighters. (How long did it take him to rematch Brewster/Byrd?? Man Quitschko's got some real balls). He always represents himself and the game with tremendous dignity. That is what I like about him. However, he has a weak chin and not much determination that keeps him from bring a great fighter.

Lewis was stopped twice. Both fights had similiar circumstances. Both times Lennox was overconfident, under trained and got caught with major league haymakers. The shots that took him out would have taken out 98% of the big men in history. This does not make him an iron chin but he was above average. He proved this by taking big shots from Ray Mercer, Evander Holyfield, Shannon Briggs and Frank Bruno. In all those bouts he was hit very hard by SERIOUS punchers and came back to win.

Wladimir actually has a weak chin and only fair recooperative powers. Putting the chins aside, Lennox was faster, had a better jab, had a better uppercut and was faster and far more fluid. Lennox moved better.

Remember kids, This is one fighter who is literally one punch away from losing any fight. He has a glass jaw.

why is there no talk of a Sam Peter rematch ?

the mccall KO was anything but a major league haymaker.

if hes one punch away from losing any fight, how come peter didnt beat him? all those punches, 3 KDs, and peter still managed to lose... hmmm, i wonder....

yes, wlad is in the worst HW division, but so was lewis.
yes, lewis was the better, more complete fighter. but wlad's not totally inferior to louis.

the byrd rematch didnt happen cuz wlas was trying to work his way back up the ladder after getting KTFOd by sanders and brewster. besides, was a byrd rematch really neccessary? wlad just wanted a title.

nobody took wlad seriously again until he beat peter in october '05 then byrdin april '06. that was when people wanted to fight wlad. but brewster had the eye injury only 3 weeks before wlad won a title and got his credibility back.

sure, the HW division is at its worst. but wlad's doing what he should be doing: knocking everybody out.

[PBDS]

....Wlad is more offensively skilled, is a better all around athlete, and has a better chin when hit with a big clean shot. He had a tendancy to panic in tough situations in the past but it's all behind him now. His only problem is the lack of a great foil. There is nobody in the heavywight division to test him. Lennox was good at recovering when hurt on more than a few occasions and he did take on many a big puncher. Still, if you asked Steward off the record he would give the nod to Wlad IMO.

[Smokin']

....Wlad is more offensively skilled, is a better all around athlete, and has a better chin when hit with a big clean shot. He had a tendancy to panic in tough situations in the past but it's all behind him now. His only problem is the lack of a great foil. There is nobody in the heavywight division to test him. Lennox was good at recovering when hurt on more than a few occasions and he did take on many a big puncher. Still, if you asked Steward off the record he would give the nod to Wlad IMO.

No way Jose. Lennox was faster and more fluid with his movements. Wlad is a tad bit ROBOTIC. Fights like freakin' frankenstein.

[GranTorino]

No way Jose. Lennox was faster and more fluid with his movements. Wlad is a tad bit ROBOTIC. Fights like freakin' frankenstein.

Then lace on the gloves and step in there with him and show us how its done

[SquareCircle]

Explain exactly which movements you're talking about that are so much more fluid, from Lennox, than Klitschko? Because, in my book, Klitschko has

a better jab
better ring generalship
better footwork
better cross
...

the one thing lennox has on klitschko is uppercuts. his uppercuts surpass klitschko's in speed and power.

[Smokin']

Explain exactly which movements you're talking about that are so much more fluid, from Lennox, than Klitschko? Because, in my book, Klitschko has

a better jab
better ring generalship
better footwork
better cross
...

the one thing lennox has on klitschko is uppercuts. his uppercuts surpass klitschko's in speed and power.

He is more fluid...much more of a natural puncher. Everythign he does flows much quicker then Klitschko and he can do more. He could body punch. Wlad is real robotic in there.

[PBDS]

No way Jose. Lennox was faster and more fluid with his movements. Wlad is a tad bit ROBOTIC. Fights like freakin' frankenstein.

....I don't believe for a second that Lennox is faster than Wlad. More fluid maybe, but Wlad is a white guy so what the **** do you want? Still, he's one hell of an athlete and he may be able to outdance Big Len. Look, Steward has almost come out and called Wlad the better fighter in so many words. It's just a matter of time before he says it loud and clear and doesn't beat around the bush. Manny says what's on his mind and if he didn't believe it then he wouldn't say it. The only offensive edge that Big Len had was the uppercut. He also knew how to throw it while holding his opponents head with his free hand.

[PBDS]

Explain exactly which movements you're talking about that are so much more fluid, from Lennox, than Klitschko? Because, in my book, Klitschko has

a better jab
better ring generalship
better footwork
better cross
...

the one thing lennox has on klitschko is uppercuts. his uppercuts surpass klitschko's in speed and power.

.....It's almost like we read each others posts before hand.

[Smokin']

....I don't believe for a second that Lennox is faster than Wlad. More fluid maybe, but Wlad is a white guy so what the **** do you want? Still, he's one hell of an athlete and he may be able to outdance Big Len. Look, Steward has almost come out and called Wlad the better fighter in so many words. It's just a matter of time before he says it loud and clear and doesn't beat around the bush. Manny says what's on his mind and if he didn't believe it then he wouldn't say it. The only offensive edge that Big Len had was the uppercut. He also knew how to throw it while holding his opponents head with his free hand.

I think Lewis had better handspeed. Maybe not with the jab but with the right hand and his combination punching was much better.