What can Mosley bring to Cotto that Zab couldn't?

[tito yuca]

How do you figure that, Tito?


#1 you don't know **** about Shanus.

#2 your subjective opinion on who is stronger does not carry enough authority behind it to make these statements.

You simply have no way of knowing who is actually stronger.

Get real. :wank:


What we do know is that Shane Mosley has fought at the heavier weights, and knocked out guys who weigh 20+ pounds heavier than Miguel has competed at his limit.

That's what we do know.

Who did Shane ever KO that weighed that much? Vargas? He doesn't count anymore. He USED to have one-punch KO power like 10 ****in years ago. The biggest reason why Shane has seemingly lost that power is because HE MOVED UP IN WEIGHT. He brutalized guys at 130. 147 is an entirely different ballgame.

And I have read about Shane benching this and squatting that. What does it matter? Oscar, Winky, Vernon, all were able to bully him. ****, even Vargas looked good against him in their first fight. How much you bench or how "strong" you are means **** inside a boxing ring. Look at K9's body and his record. Chin, power, speed, determination, heart, defense, etc - none of them have any relation to how much ****in weight you can lift. When I said Cotto was stronger I meant he punches harder. I am fully aware he is not a one-punch KO artist like Shane USED to be. However, his body attack is absolutely devastating. Everyone Miguel Cotto has fought leaves the fight with their face completely ****ed up. He is not considered one of the P4P hardest hitters for no reason. Shane has not been considered one of those since he moved to 147.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Better chin, more heart, better stamina, more combinations, and overall a better record of fighting the whole fight. He's just overall, WAY better. On top of that, has ALMOST as much power, and jsut about as much speed. MUCH tougher fight for Cotto, unless he ages overnight, which I doubt.

[Shanus]

Who did Shane ever KO that weighed that much? Vargas? He doesn't count anymore. He USED to have one-punch KO power like 10 ****in years ago. The biggest reason why Shane has seemingly lost that power is because HE MOVED UP IN WEIGHT. He brutalized guys at 130. 147 is an entirely different ballgame.

And I have read about Shane benching this and squatting that. What does it matter? Oscar, Winky, Vernon, all were able to bully him. ****, even Vargas looked good against him in their first fight. How much you bench or how "strong" you are means **** inside a boxing ring. Look at K9's body and his record. Chin, power, speed, determination, heart, defense, etc - none of them have any relation to how much ****in weight you can lift. When I said Cotto was stronger I meant he punches harder. I am fully aware he is not a one-punch KO artist like Shane USED to be. However, his body attack is absolutely devastating. Everyone Miguel Cotto has fought leaves the fight with their face completely ****ed up. He is not considered one of the P4P hardest hitters for no reason. Shane has not been considered one of those since he moved to 147.

Vargas doesn't count? I'm sorry, but regardless of how shot Vargas is, that was a peach of a punch that took him down, and would have tested ANY fighter's chin.

[tito yuca]

Someone said I can't be objective regarding Cotto or something, that person has obviously not read my posts or does not know me. I'm extremely objective when it comes to fighters and fights, especially PRican ones. I hate how biased and irrational most PRicans are when it comes to boxing. If you look at my posts, recently there was a topic in which someone talked about Tito and his BHop and Bernard losses. In the same topic I said that Tito was not good enough to deal with skilled boxers, and that's why he lost to both of them and to Oscar IMO. I HATE Oscar, but still I always get mad when people refuse to aknowledge he was whooping Tito. In the same topic I also defended Tito when someone said his legacy was bull****.

So what I'm saying is, don't look at my avatar and location and assume I',m saying Cotto will win just cuz he was born in the same country as me. I'm a huge Cotto fan, but I would be if he was born in ****ing Madagascar. I also like Shane Mosley, and in his prime I'd pick him against Cotto, but this is 2007. I believe Cotto is just too powerful and relentless for Shane to deal with right now.

[ELPacman]

Man, so many people are in love with Zab, I don't understand. He's so overrated it's almost a joke that people believe in him. What does Mosley bring? How about everything that Zab couldn't. More power, more speed, more stamina, more chin(? ), abit more mentally stable, and I believe more skill. I say abit more mentally stable because we saw against Winky, Mosley did get very fusturated and went back to his corner looking like someone stole his lunch. I think this could be a great fight for Cotto as long as Mosley doesn't run. Expect Cotto to hammer Mosley to pieces by the end of the 12th. I dun think Mosley will be KOed.

[tito yuca]

Vargas doesn't count? I'm sorry, but regardless of how shot Vargas is, that was a peach of a punch that took him down, and would have tested ANY fighter's chin.

It WAS a great punch, but come on. From the opening bell we all could see how slow Vargas was. Stagnant. He didn't move, his punches had no snap, he looked like total ****. That's why I said he "doesn't count" Vargas is one of my favorite fighters of all-time and after watching his first fight with Shane I picked him to win the second, but 20 seconds in I knew he'd get KTFO.

[Boxing4Real]

Mosley proved in the Forrest I fight more than anything that he has heart and a great chin. Forrest headbutted the hell out of him. I don't know if I've seen a worse headbutt in any fight ever. Forrest should've been able to get Mosley out of there. Had that headbutt not landed (not saying it was intentional), I think Mosley would've won a forgettable fight, no rematch, and would've kept undefeated for a while at least. Easy to say "if this, then this" I know, and no way to really know. Point is, Mosley could've folded, could've probably even had the fight stopped due to the headbutt. No, he fought back and survived the distance. Then he went immediately in for a rematch, no tune-ups. I thought he won the rematch, though it was close, but whatever. He clearly lost both Winky fights, but even after the first loss, again, showed heart by going right back in against Wright. It wasn't smart, but it was heart. There's no questioning Mosley's heart, imo.

That was Mosley against Wright and Forrest. Cotto hasn't had to come back against people of that level. He had to dig deep against Corley and Torres. Mosley has never been in trouble with guys on that level. So there is that to consider. Sure, Cotto could come back against Torres, Corley, but could he if he had an all-time great beating him down? Maybe he could, but he hasn't been tested like that yet.

I'd favor Mosley b/c of his style and experience, but wouldn't be surprised if the younger, more hungry Cotto beat him. I think Mosley would've dominated Trinidad. There's often comparisons made to Cotto and Trinidad of course, but I think Cotto has a significantly better shot against Mosley. That's not to say Cotto is necessarily a better fighter than Trinidad, just his style is better to face Mosley, imo.

I'm favoring Mosley, but I'm still calling it a pick'em fight. I don't think Mosley will lose by KO/TKO, too good of a chin, which says a lot b/c Cotto can hit damn hard. I think DLH hits at least as hard, Vargas likely hits harder. Mosley isn't getting knocked out unless he just comes in really old. Could see Cotto getting stopped late, but I'd really lean more toward a Mosley UD, around 116-112.

[tennmartin]

This is gonna be an all out war. No one has seem to mention that SSM is a hell of a body ****er too. I can't honestly call this fight.

[Addison]

Who did Shane ever KO that weighed that much? Vargas? He doesn't count anymore. He USED to have one-punch KO power like 10 ****in years ago. The biggest reason why Shane has seemingly lost that power is because HE MOVED UP IN WEIGHT. He brutalized guys at 130. 147 is an entirely different ballgame.

And I have read about Shane benching this and squatting that. What does it matter? Oscar, Winky, Vernon, all were able to bully him. ****, even Vargas looked good against him in their first fight. How much you bench or how "strong" you are means **** inside a boxing ring. Look at K9's body and his record. Chin, power, speed, determination, heart, defense, etc - none of them have any relation to how much ****in weight you can lift. When I said Cotto was stronger I meant he punches harder. I am fully aware he is not a one-punch KO artist like Shane USED to be. However, his body attack is absolutely devastating. Everyone Miguel Cotto has fought leaves the fight with their face completely ****ed up. He is not considered one of the P4P hardest hitters for no reason. Shane has not been considered one of those since he moved to 147.

Alright, just try to keep in mind that the jury should still be somewhat out on some of this stuff regarding Miguel.

I know you're enthusiastic - but Cotto has not proven himself to be one of the hardest hitters in the game. That's ridiculous.

Surely, that would have been more clearly demonstrated by now..

I appreciate that he busted up guys like Gianluca(SP) Branco, and Carlos Quintana, and even Zab Judah.. But that's not saying much, is it?

The hardest hitters can take guys heads off. This is still Boxing.

Cotto hits the same sensitive spots on guys 200 times to get the results it takes guys like R. Marquez, Vasquez, Miranda, Lacy, Pavlik, Valero, and Pacquiao a small handful - if not one individual shot.

[Njord777]

Mosley has shown power at welterweight. Diaz was a solid win. I agree that he was more explosive at lower weights but....don't doubt he can still pop at welterweight.

Adrian Stone KO 3
Shannan Taylor TKO 6
Antonio Diaz TKO 6
Willy Wise TKO 3
Wifredo Rivera KO 10

No- these aren't top tier fighters and Shane was younger..but they do demonstrate he can knock out someone at welterweight- as he has done so to all the men above at 147. Yes, he was younger but like I said...I feel power does to erode with age as much as speed, movement and endurance does. Look at Moorer-Foreman. Yes, they were bigger men but my point stands. Despite what is said here I favor Shane with pop.