What can Mosley bring to Cotto that Zab couldn't?

[Njord777]

When you age you lose speed. You lose endurance. An older fighter may even lose heart- but I think you guys are insane thinking Cotto is a bigger puncher than Shane. Cotto is a solid, good looking boxer. No hate here...but...he's not a one punch KO artist. Shane once was. Maybe recently he hasn't shown it...but power is not something that disappears. Look at the way Foreman beat Moorer- one punch after being dominated all night. Yes, he was a heavyweight...but that proves my point. You can degrade in many areas...but I don't think Shane has lost the overall pop in his punch.

Mosley knocked out 30 of his first 32 opponents without a loss. Shane had the highest knockout percentage 93% of any fighter in history with 30 or more fights - and he continued to KO guys at welterweight.

I'm not saying he's going to win hands down...I have to go back and rewatch his recent fights to see how much I think he is like his old self...but...he has power. I stand by that.

[freedom213]

this will be a tough as hell fight for one reason, Miguel Cotto will relentlessly pressure shane all night long. Shane will either be able to reach down and stop Miguel maybe getting hurt badly along the way or he will fold up shop like all the rest. I have to agree that Shane has lost a step but even in his best Cotto would be the challenge of a lifetime for him. I think Miguel's biggest advantage seems to be that most of his opponents underestimate his hand speed and just how good his footwork is.

Seeing Mosley against Collazo, a tough, slick, but power deficient Southpaw showed me that Mosley is still top shelf still fast, still decent power, technically very good. But as far as I am concerned he will be the underdog in this fight and he may lack the will to win at all costs that Cotto has deep inside. Shane has spent a lot of years in comfortable standing not needing to prove his worth having been there done that and succeeded in ways Cotto is just now experiencing. Thats the intangible that puts Cotto ahead for me.

[Addison]

Terrible post. If you think Mosley is stronger and just as powerful as Cotto, you don't know **** about boxing. There simply is NO WAY either of those statements are true.
As far as mental focus goes, Cotto has shown he is leaps and bounds above Mosley. Every time he's been hurt he's bounced back and KO'd his opponent. When Shane was hurt against Forrest, he turned into **** and Vernon dominated him the rest of the way.

Mosley is faster than Cotto, but Miguel is much more powerful and has more heart, will, and determination.

How do you figure that, Tito?


#1 you don't know **** about Shanus.

#2 your subjective opinion on who is stronger does not carry enough authority behind it to make these statements.

You simply have no way of knowing who is actually stronger.

Get real. :wank:


What we do know is that Shane Mosley has fought at the heavier weights, and knocked out guys who weigh 20+ pounds heavier than Miguel has competed at his limit.

That's what we do know.

[ThaHorseman]

When you age you lose speed. You lose endurance. An older fighter may even lose heart- but I think you guys are insane thinking Cotto is a bigger puncher than Shane. Cotto is a solid, good looking boxer. No hate here...but...he's not a one punch KO artist. Shane once was. Maybe recently he hasn't shown it...but power is not something that disappears. Look at the way Foreman beat Moorer- one punch after being dominated all night. Yes, he was a heavyweight...but that proves my point. You can degrade in many areas...but I don't think Shane has lost the overall pop in his punch.

Mosley knocked out 30 of his first 32 opponents without a loss. Shane had the highest knockout percentage 93% of any fighter in history with 30 or more fights - and he continued to KO guys at welterweight.

I'm not saying he's going to win hands down...I have to go back and rewatch his recent fights to see how much I think he is like his old self...but...he has power. I stand by that.

Since his fights with Forrest, Shane has only KO'd Vargas. His first 30 fights don't quite mean as much as his last 11. He's still got decent pop, but I don't think its too hard to see that Cotto is the stronger puncher.

[Njord777]

Since his fights with Forrest, Shane has only KO'd Vargas. His first 30 fights don't quite mean as much as his last 11. He's still got decent pop, but I don't think its too hard to see that Cotto is the stronger puncher.

I just plain disagree. Much of that amazing KO record for Mosley was built up at lower weights...but...I've never seen Cotto throw power bombs like you can find in Shane's highlight reels. Cotto is younger, maybe hungrier- a good fighter- but I'll give Mosley the edge in experience, speed, and even power. That's just how I feel.

[Left2body]

What Mosley brings that Zab doesn't.

1) Shane is more consistent with his attacks.

2) Shane will throw more combo's and wont look for 1 big counter punch to win

3) Shane will bring a better chin than Zab Judah

4) Shane has better conditioning and doesn't fade in fights the way Zab tends too

5) Shane will be physically stronger than Zab and be able to hold his own better when they are in pushing, in clinches and when Cotto is trying to be rough.

Now what Zab brought that Mosley does't bring

1) better handspeed

2) Better 1 punch power

3) better sunglasses than Shane will probably wear.

[ThaHorseman]

I just plain disagree. Much of that amazing KO record for Mosley was built up at lower weights...but...I've never seen Cotto throw power bombs like you can find in Shane's highlight reels. Cotto is younger, maybe hungrier- a good fighter- but I'll give Mosley the edge in experience, speed, and even power. That's just how I feel.

I guess I just don't see what Mosley's KO power when he was in his 20's and fighting at lower weights has to do with it now at 147 in his mid-30's. Niether have one-punch KO power, but Cotto breaks you down with his hard shots, Mosley doesn't.

[freedom213]

I guess I just don't see what Mosley's KO power when he was in his 20's and fighting at lower weights has to do with it now at 147 in his mid-30's. Niether have one-punch KO power, but Cotto breaks you down with his hard shots, Mosley doesn't.

you're both right Cotto has bone crunching, internal organ damaging type power where as Mosley has shock and awe lights out power aided by his speed. different but in the same ball park.

[Shanus]

Terrible post. If you think Mosley is stronger and just as powerful as Cotto, you don't know **** about boxing. There simply is NO WAY either of those statements are true.

As far as mental focus goes, Cotto has shown he is leaps and bounds above Mosley. Every time he's been hurt he's bounced back and KO'd his opponent. When Shane was hurt against Forrest, he turned into **** and Vernon dominated him the rest of the way.

Mosley is faster than Cotto, but Miguel is much more powerful and has more heart, will, and determination.

I'm not going to even inform you on Mosley's freakish strength which he demonstrates in the gym, but doesn't need to use in the ring, because you're obviously oblivious to everything that goes against Cotto.

[Shanus]

How do you figure that, Tito?


#1 you don't know **** about Shanus.

#2 your subjective opinion on who is stronger does not carry enough authority behind it to make these statements.

You simply have no way of knowing who is actually stronger.

Get real. :wank:


What we do know is that Shane Mosley has fought at the heavier weights, and knocked out guys who weigh 20+ pounds heavier than Miguel has competed at his limit.

That's what we do know.

And ontop of that, he benches north of 300 lbs and squats north of 450lbs, and these numbers aren't fabricated.

Sure these don't mean much inside the squared circle, but if push comes to shove (literally), Mosley comes out ontop.