Zab Judah - whats all the hype about

[donatopulla]

first of all antonio's post was ******ed. judah has shown major mental lapses and lack of activity in the ring before, but to write him off as a nobody is ****** he's always fought the best guys, now he wants margarito. he might only be 50-50 against top names but at least he fights them and the fight 90% of the time is entertaining. as for judah's low blow on cotto, remove those nuthugging glasses, judah got haymakered low twice compared to grazing cotto barely. that didn't cost him the fight, and you reap what you sow he got payback from other fights (PBF) but he's still a high action fighter willing to fight the best. and has a legit chance at beating every one it's just an intelligent zab judah shows up 2 out of 5 fights lol.

as for the floyd mayweather ****rider claiming floyd is faster then zab, that's HILARIOUS. zab is faster around the ring and has faster hands, that's not even open for discussion. he also has way more athletic ability and a natural defense a la sweet pea where as floyd is extremely well skilled and rolls punches and uses that guard to deflect and block punches. judah is faster, how more power, is a southpaw and is quicker on his feet. that's more talent. floyd is well schooled and has a tremendous work ethic which is why he's who he is today. he definitely has lots of talent, but not more then judah.

[DarkSpyder]

he's flashy, has fast hands, and has power for the welterweight division.


as far as zab being one of the best talents out there, i beg to differ. zab is the classic case of a talented striker, where he has a lack of discipline in almost every other important part of boxing, mainly in his defense and mental strength.

first of all he really hasn't any defense. he can slip punches this and that, but he always keeps his hands down and low, he pulls straight back, and then pulls back to the side right after pulling back and does it more than often. leaving himself open while he's crossing from right to left or left to right, leaving his chin exposed to get touched.

he has next to no footwork, no lateral movement, he either plods forward or he's leaping in with a counter left uppercut (which is highly effective for him, but that falls into his talent of being a talented striker). no circling, no angles, very rarely does he create angles, once or twice in a fight.

zabs inside fighting is also limited, zab is a fighter like kostya tszyu who needs room to punch at his optimum. other than his uppercut or room to land a hook in a clinch he really doesn't do any trench work when he fights.

one of zab's biggest flaws is his focus, especially in big fights. zab has a tendency to look who is in the front rows so he can say hi, and that has bitten him in the ass on a few occasions. one of which involved a knockdown by the feather fisted spinks.

zab also loses focus mid way through the fight and starts posing before and after throwing punches. he's infamous for that. hands down by his waist like he's a gun slinger, which when he does that not only does it leave him open but he isnt in any good position to defend himself and he sure as hell aint working throwing punches trying to score.

also when he loses focus he starts acting out inside the ring and he also fouls, like he did in the mayweather fight. he too fouled cotto, more than the two low blows cotto gave to him, although the second low blow was bad, those kind are bad, but he was pulling cotto's head down while jumping back to get out the way, it was a combo of the two, cotto's offense and zab's evasive tactics. but any way, zab has been known to foul when things aren't going his way, or even worse cry to the ref looking for help anytime something happens to him. i can't stand that. you never see the real tough fighters look to the ref for help. you never see it from a holyfield or a hopkins or a corrales type fighter, they took their fouls and gave back without or gave then took theirs but they never looked for sympathy or help, zab does.


zab does have talent, but where he excels he lacks in other major departments in the overall scheme of being a fighter.

i will say this, if zab were to get a new trainer i think he could be a better fighter and position himself for another world title shot, but someone who is going to fix his mental aspect of fighting and bring back the boxing basics in zab. but that aint going to happen............................

There's only one or two things there I disagree with. I thought Zab had decent footwork although he doesn't utilize it in the right way because of the way he fights in straight lines. I liken the way he jumps in and out to that of a cobra; like you say a 'striker', effective momentarily but it seldom carries you home against a quality opponent.

[DarkSpyder]

Zab Judah hasn't lost a fight thats why.

The Tzyu fight was a horrible stoppage and Judah was DOMINATING the whole fight until he got cought. Lucky shot...

Spinks cought him unfocused. Apparently Judah didnt even train for the fight. He got him in the rematch anyway.

Baldomir? Pshh...Judah was too busy doing Don Kings work. I mean how could Judah be focused against a broke bum who sells dusters to feed his family?

Mayweather lost the first four rounds. Its a 12 round fight, but who cares.

Cotto? You all saw it. Cotto had to cheat his way to victory. I mean Judah low blowed Cotto too, but that doesnt count remember. Judah does no wrong! Cotto is a cheater! Judah never low blows. Can you imagine him nearly causing a riot with a deliberate low blow? Never!

There it is fellas. Judah is the best to lace the gloves.

***Double Post***

[DarkSpyder]

Zab Judah hasn't lost a fight thats why.

The Tzyu fight was a horrible stoppage and Judah was DOMINATING the whole fight until he got cought. Lucky shot...

Spinks cought him unfocused. Apparently Judah didnt even train for the fight. He got him in the rematch anyway.

Baldomir? Pshh...Judah was too busy doing Don Kings work. I mean how could Judah be focused against a broke bum who sells dusters to feed his family?

Mayweather lost the first four rounds. Its a 12 round fight, but who cares.

Cotto? You all saw it. Cotto had to cheat his way to victory. I mean Judah low blowed Cotto too, but that doesnt count remember. Judah does no wrong! Cotto is a cheater! Judah never low blows. Can you imagine him nearly causing a riot with a deliberate low blow? Never!

There it is fellas. Judah is the best to lace the gloves.

This post is sarcasm at it's worst. Nice effort...

[Don Johnson]

thats BULL**** u jus not born wit it YOU have to train to develup all that stuff....n mayweather is EASILY more talented then judah and a better boxer.... i mean lets break it down

speed..mayweather
accuracy...mayweather
defense..mayweather
power..judah
ring knowledge..mayweather

i mean mayweather better then him in EVERY way possible ecept power

How was Zab able to beat PBF to the punch the first 5 rounds consistently???

[ELPacman]

Zab is all hype. He was someone that could never live up to his billing. A word that sums up his career is, inconsistant. He's had **** performance after **** performance only to have a great performance, and then follow up with more **** performances. Saying he has all this great talent and potential to me is overrated. He's quick for the first 3 or 4 rounds, then fades. He has power based on his speed, without the speed, his power lacks. His stamina which is the reason he fades, sucks. He basically just dries out and fades the longer the fight goes as his stamina doesn't keep up with his high 1-4 round pace. Then to top all this off, his mentality sucks. He's just lost mentally in so many fights that it's one of the main reason he loses. He's beat before he really lost the bout. I never saw anything in Zab that made me think he was great or had great potential. Not with his consistancy.

[Poet682006]

Judau + Tszyu + chicken dance = one year suspension

Poet

[monkeyboy]

[QUOTE=donatopulla;2532117]all this kostya talk is ridiculous too, zab handed him his ass in the 1st round and after getting clipped, should've taken the 8 count, he would've been fine, by the time nady waves it off zab's completely coherant. QUOTE]

Sorry Buddy. Don't just listen to Zab's account. Watch that clip again. A couple of extra seconds would not have given Zab his legs back. His balance was gone. Tszyu was a superb finisher. It would not have taken long with Zab unable to even stand up for Kostya to hammer that right in again.
Let's say for arguments' sake that he lasted the round. We all accept that Zab has a couple of good rounds in him then he drifts off and is comparitively useless. Tszyu was constant through 12 rounds.
Pretending that Zab started the 3rd fresh as a daisy (course he could after that KD) he has 2 rounds left of quality Zab.
Tszyu has 8 rounds to smash mediocre Zab.
Lots of luck selling a Zab victory over Tszyu.

[tito yuca]

How was Zab able to beat PBF to the punch the first 5 rounds consistently???

Sure doesn't look like that based on this:

[IMG]http://img.***********.com/albums/v200/TistoGaret/floydzab.jpg[/IMG]

[BROOKLYN CESAR]

He is the man!!! Zab shouldve been one of the greats in this sport!!!