Zab Judah - whats all the hype about

[mick66]

Have to say, He's lost all the fights I've seen him in...
Maybe I jinks him.

[monkeyboy]

It's all the more notable that Kostya Tsyzu handed him his ass cause Kostya didn't need to wait for the later rounds when Zab typically loses focus and his stamina's gone.
Round 2. Boom.
Exciting fighter but if he didn't have you early he rarely lasted. Even his Golden Gloves victory had him hanging on after knocking down his opponent and that was a 3 round fight.
Sadly being a good early round fighter is not enough for greatness.

[monkeyboy]

Speed....great speed......very decent pop......good footwork.................all went out the window when Tsyzu landed that right hand.


Before that fight, Zab was a speed demon who brang his opponents too many demensions too deal with. After that, he just flirted with what he could do and what he did. I don't blame it all on Kostya, I blame it on Zab. He just never recovered.

Simultaneous post. Good work.

[Amir K Shareef]

Talent wise, Zab Judah is light years ahead of PBF, RJJ, etc. Mentally, he's one of the worst of all time, he has constant break downs, averages 20 punches a round etc. His 2nd fight vs Spinks shows what he's capable of, as did the first 4-5 rounds vs PBF

WOA u gittin to far of your self there dude

more talent then JONES? is u on crack?? maybe at this day n age
but not prime jones
n no PBF is THEE most talednted fighter now i think judah is top 5 in talent

[Technical_Skill]

Been reading various things on here regarding Zab judah and I honestly can't under stand why people rate him so highly

He's one of those fighters that you watch and know that he has the skills to be one of the best, even in the fights he loses, which says alot about him.

As i have said before, with Zab the problem stems from not wanting to get hit, he just cant take being hit, and he goes into survival mode, which ruins his fight plan.

Against Cotto he was in survival mode from the start, jabbing and moving, and not throwing much else, when he threw the left hand he had cotto hurt on multiple occasions, but then he didnt throw it enough, which doesnt make sense at all, because cotto clearly couldnt see that left hand coming. Judah could have decisioned cotto in that fight if he mixed up his punches instead of just jabbing and "running" and wasnt afraid to get tagged a little.

The mayweather fight he made a good start, people say he gassed out, he gassed out because mayweather is a heavily underrated body puncher and judah found that out, once hit got hit bad, he didnt wanna know, went into survival mode and mayweather would have stopped him had it not been for judah's low blow.

But that fact he went 3-1 up in the 1st four rounds against the best fighter in the world says alot (even though mayweather is a slow starter of late) he has power, speed, and he is slick, if he cant get it together he can still be a force, i would say if he can improve his punch resistance and get another trainer (Maxorido was right Yoel Judah in the corner is crap) which i doubt judah would do, maybe he could get it together one night.

Judah's just one those guys you can't write off, id give im a serious chance against Hatton, and pick him over Margarito and Cintron (i dont care about how bums cintron ko's) right now, so he can still win a belt at 147 perhaps.

[adamk1304]

one the most talented fighter now IMO almost knocked cotto out 1st round and i think he would of won if that dumazz cheater aint give him 2 low blows..... he did that on purpose cuz he was on verge of gettin knoked da *** out

that's bull****. The first "low blow" was on the beltline, and judah went down crying like a little *****. he deserved the beating he got.

[deuce_drop]

he's flashy, has fast hands, and has power for the welterweight division.


as far as zab being one of the best talents out there, i beg to differ. zab is the classic case of a talented striker, where he has a lack of discipline in almost every other important part of boxing, mainly in his defense and mental strength.

first of all he really hasn't any defense. he can slip punches this and that, but he always keeps his hands down and low, he pulls straight back, and then pulls back to the side right after pulling back and does it more than often. leaving himself open while he's crossing from right to left or left to right, leaving his chin exposed to get touched.

he has next to no footwork, no lateral movement, he either plods forward or he's leaping in with a counter left uppercut (which is highly effective for him, but that falls into his talent of being a talented striker). no circling, no angles, very rarely does he create angles, once or twice in a fight.

zabs inside fighting is also limited, zab is a fighter like kostya tszyu who needs room to punch at his optimum. other than his uppercut or room to land a hook in a clinch he really doesn't do any trench work when he fights.

one of zab's biggest flaws is his focus, especially in big fights. zab has a tendency to look who is in the front rows so he can say hi, and that has bitten him in the ass on a few occasions. one of which involved a knockdown by the feather fisted spinks.

zab also loses focus mid way through the fight and starts posing before and after throwing punches. he's infamous for that. hands down by his waist like he's a gun slinger, which when he does that not only does it leave him open but he isnt in any good position to defend himself and he sure as hell aint working throwing punches trying to score.

also when he loses focus he starts acting out inside the ring and he also fouls, like he did in the mayweather fight. he too fouled cotto, more than the two low blows cotto gave to him, although the second low blow was bad, those kind are bad, but he was pulling cotto's head down while jumping back to get out the way, it was a combo of the two, cotto's offense and zab's evasive tactics. but any way, zab has been known to foul when things aren't going his way, or even worse cry to the ref looking for help anytime something happens to him. i can't stand that. you never see the real tough fighters look to the ref for help. you never see it from a holyfield or a hopkins or a corrales type fighter, they took their fouls and gave back without or gave then took theirs but they never looked for sympathy or help, zab does.


zab does have talent, but where he excels he lacks in other major departments in the overall scheme of being a fighter.

i will say this, if zab were to get a new trainer i think he could be a better fighter and position himself for another world title shot, but someone who is going to fix his mental aspect of fighting and bring back the boxing basics in zab. but that aint going to happen............................

[FIGHTING_FLIP]

WOA u gittin to far of your self there dude

more talent then JONES? is u on crack?? maybe at this day n age
but not prime jones
n no PBF is THEE most talednted fighter now i think judah is top 5 in talent

your wrong..PBF was trained for his attributes..his speed his power..he works out everyday hell even everynight..he worked for wut he has..zab was born with his..you cant work for one punch knock out power you cant work for that kind of explosive speed zab is more talented then mayweather..but mayweather no doubt is better now..zab couldnt take advantage of his god given talents..

[donatopulla]

fightingflip is right, zab is way more talented, floyd is a lot better.

deucedrop wrote a damn chapter book lol and i disagreed with a lot of it. zab has no defense, not good movement, and can't box?? LOL you must've missed his 2nd fight against cory spinks, taylor could barely catch spinks and zab went in there in his hometown and outboxed and knocked him out. he wasn't a front runner, that myth is bull****, he proved it in that fight and against micky ward, chop chop etc. all this kostya talk is ridiculous too, zab handed him his ass in the 1st round and after getting clipped, should've taken the 8 count, he would've been fine, by the time nady waves it off zab's completely coherant. what he lacks is mental, if he was on par with mayweather mentally nobody could touch him.

[deuce_drop]

fightingflip is right, zab is way more talented, floyd is a lot better.

deucedrop wrote a damn chapter book lol and i disagreed with a lot of it. zab has no defense, not good movement, and can't box?? LOL you must've missed his 2nd fight against cory spinks, taylor could barely catch spinks and zab went in there in his hometown and outboxed and knocked him out. he wasn't a front runner, that myth is bull****, he proved it in that fight and against micky ward, chop chop etc. all this kostya talk is ridiculous too, zab handed him his ass in the 1st round and after getting clipped, should've taken the 8 count, he would've been fine, by the time nady waves it off zab's completely coherant. what he lacks is mental, if he was on par with mayweather mentally nobody could touch him.

i didn't say he couldn't box, i said that he lacked core fundamentals. obviously zab is good, he has a winning record still, but he's only good to a certain extent. talented striker is the peak of his talent, other than that he has lots of flaws, flaws that negate him being the most talented fighter this and that.

it is what it is, like i said, i think the best thing for judah is get rid of his pops and work with a trainer that is going to bring back solid basics and get his head on straight. zab is a classic case of the underachiever.......

i've got a good handful of zabdiel's fights on disk, i know what he's capable of doing and what he doesn't do.

he's only lost 3 fights, and that aint bad at all, but he's a big underachiever and lacks focus quite a bit. amongst other things.