Margarito can beat Mayweather??? Who's talkin' now??

[SpeedKillz]

After re-watching the Marg vs. Williams fight, I can say with certainty that Mayweather would beat both of them.

Marg is much slower compared to DLH.

Williams didn’t go in trying to kill Marg. Looked like he was having fun in there.

Williams punches, although they were high in volume, and connected often, never really had Marg in serious trouble. They were not punches thrown with bad intentions.

I believe Judah is as fast and stronger than Williams.

Although he came forward throughout the fight, Marg wasn’t boxing
as though he was desperate to keep his title.

I believe DLH would embarrass Tony if not KO him.

So, to me, Floyd beats them both, no question.

couldn't have said it better myself. margarito is a tough fighter, thats it. his skills are mediocre. paul williams is tall, that's it. they both have more attributes to them obviously, but I am analyzing them based on either of them vs. mayweather. williams punch output was incredible against marg, but marg is a slow fighter with average movement. williams wouldnt be able to keep that punch output with mayweather, due to mayweather's far superiour foot and hand speed, and counterpunching abilities that rival anyone's in history, yea thats right, history. margarito's walk you down and constant pressure style will jus get him picked off and countered whenever he throws. would he land on floyd? absolutely. would floyd land twice as much? without question. pwill's punch output would be cut in half against mayweather. what cant you understand that mayweather is the most skilled fighter right now. just cuz fighters are physically stronger and bigger than him, means nothing. he is SMARTER in the ring than all of them, and he WILL find a way to win, regardless of the opponent. there is no one faster, slicker, or more elusive than floyd. his punches are fast and accurate, and his defense is virutally unbreakble. put him in with pwil, cotto, mosley, hatton(lol), whoever you want, at the end of the fight, mayweather will just pick up another W...

[supremelygifted]

I agree with you, however Floyd was a bit inconsistent with his choice of opposition. If he could fight Zab and Baldomir for no money and meaningless belts, then why not fight a Margarito for a mere $8 million?

Because at the time Margorito offered him 8 million, he'd just bought himself from his contract with Bob Arum so that he could pursue Oscar for double that. You see, Bob Arum and Oscar were at odds with one another and Floyd felt as though that fight would never happen with Arum as his promoter. He also told Arum why fight Margorito for 8 when I can get 20 for DLH. Arum's 8 was more to distract him from the DLH fight than anything. Not that Arum wouldn't have paid it though.

[dr.knoise]

Because at the time Margorito offered him 8 million, he'd just bought himself from his contract with Bob Arum so that he could pursue Oscar for double that. You see, Bob Arum and Oscar were at odds with one another and Floyd felt as though that fight would never happen with Arum as his promoter. He also told Arum why fight Margorito for 8 when I can get 20 for DLH. Arum's 8 was more to distract him from the DLH fight than anything. Not that Arum wouldn't have paid it though.

I think we both know that there was no guarantee for the DLH/PBF when PBF severed ties with Arum. So, yes, he hedged a bet and won. But that doesn't mean he couldn't have fought Margarito for the 8 mil, then fought DLH for even more than 20 mil. I don't think there's any way to spin this given that he previously fought the following for no money:

Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell
Arturo Gatti
Henry Bruseles

PBF earned nothing in the way of respect for fighting these guys. Beating Margarito at that time would have given him great respect as well as more leverage at the bargaining table vs. DLH. The truth, in my opinion, was Margarito simply wasn't worth the risk, from a P4P perspective or losing his undefeated record. That's ducking in my book. But I don't fault him. PBF is clear that he's all about the money, so he's achieving his goals. I think the GOAT talk is a front. Padding his record with non-quality opposition will not earn him P4P of all time. Margarito is still a threat in my book but he was replaced as the greater threat by PWillie.

[SpeedKillz]

I think we both know that there was no guarantee for the DLH/PBF when PBF severed ties with Arum. So, yes, he hedged a bet and won. But that doesn't mean he couldn't have fought Margarito for the 8 mil, then fought DLH for even more than 20 mil. I don't think there's any way to spin this given that he previously fought the following for no money:

Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell
Arturo Gatti
Henry Bruseles

PBF earned nothing in the way of respect for fighting these guys. Beating Margarito at that time would have given him great respect as well as more leverage at the bargaining table vs. DLH. The truth, in my opinion, was Margarito simply wasn't worth the risk, from a P4P perspective or losing his undefeated record. That's ducking in my book. But I don't fault him. PBF is clear that he's all about the money, so he's achieving his goals. I think the GOAT talk is a front. Padding his record with non-quality opposition will not earn him P4P of all time. Margarito is still a threat in my book but he was replaced as the greater threat by PWillie.

but he fought the linear champ in baldomir for the same amount he woulda got for marg, and baldomir jus beat zab and gatti, and he had a cinderella story going, and WAY more people knew him than marg, so i dont call that ducking, i call it smart decision making. floyd beat the linear WW champ and gets a shot at DLH, makes alot of sense. or, if floyd beats a version of a WW champ and then gets dlh would raise questions along the lines of "mayweather beat a nobody why should he fight dlh, he never beat the real champ.." and so on and so on, so floyd and his team made the right decisions in fighting bald instead of marg.

[bdevils]

LOL......YOUVE BEEN HERE SINCE 05 .......IVE BEEN WATCHING BOXING FOREVER AND IVE BEEN HERE LONGER THEN YOU HAVE SO GO TELL THAT **** TO SOMEONE WHO CARES..........MARGARITO STILL WON IN MY EYES

I'm sure they have a Lens Crafters or something where you live maybe you need to check them out because your boy lost bottom line now STFU!!!

[dr.knoise]

but he fought the linear champ in baldomir for the same amount he woulda got for marg, and baldomir jus beat zab and gatti, and he had a cinderella story going, and WAY more people knew him than marg, so i dont call that ducking, i call it smart decision making. floyd beat the linear WW champ and gets a shot at DLH, makes alot of sense. or, if floyd beats a version of a WW champ and then gets dlh would raise questions along the lines of "mayweather beat a nobody why should he fight dlh, he never beat the real champ.." and so on and so on, so floyd and his team made the right decisions in fighting bald instead of marg.

What's "smart decision making" when it comes to P4P GOAT? No one will ever look at Ray Robinson's career and say he made some "smart decisions" about his opposition. He fought all comers.

I didn't suggest that he fight Margarito instead of Baldomir. Fight both, clear out the division, stake your claim as P4P greatest of all time.

Again, Floyd focus is cash, not prestige. So, in his quest for cash, he's been smart. In his quest for greatness, he has not.

[bdevils]

I think we both know that there was no guarantee for the DLH/PBF when PBF severed ties with Arum. So, yes, he hedged a bet and won. But that doesn't mean he couldn't have fought Margarito for the 8 mil, then fought DLH for even more than 20 mil. I don't think there's any way to spin this given that he previously fought the following for no money:

Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah
Sharmba Mitchell
Arturo Gatti
Henry Bruseles

PBF earned nothing in the way of respect for fighting these guys. Beating Margarito at that time would have given him great respect as well as more leverage at the bargaining table vs. DLH. The truth, in my opinion, was Margarito simply wasn't worth the risk, from a P4P perspective or losing his undefeated record. That's ducking in my book. But I don't fault him. PBF is clear that he's all about the money, so he's achieving his goals. I think the GOAT talk is a front. Padding his record with non-quality opposition will not earn him P4P of all time. Margarito is still a threat in my book but he was replaced as the greater threat by PWillie.

How??? Marg was virually unknown to the general public. His biggest win was against a green Cintron. The only thing Marg had going for him is his Promoter who wanted to get back at Floyd for leaving him.

[SpeedKillz]

What's "smart decision making" when it comes to P4P GOAT? No one will ever look at Ray Robinson's career and say he made some "smart decisions" about his opposition. He fought all comers.

I didn't suggest that he fight Margarito instead of Baldomir. Fight both, clear out the division, stake your claim as P4P greatest of all time.

Again, Floyd focus is cash, not prestige. So, in his quest for cash, he's been smart. In his quest for greatness, he has not.

well to rebutt i'll say marg should have fought a better fighter before he was to fight floyd... wait, he did that already....... and we saw what happened.

his quest for greatness is not over. there are still names he has to clear out, which will be done. marg wasnt one of them before pwill, and he will never be one of them now.

[dr.knoise]

How??? Marg was virually unknown to the general public. His biggest win was against a green Cintron. The only thing Marg had going for him is his Promoter who wanted to get back at Floyd for leaving him.

There's the public and there's the boxing community. The public didn't know Margarito, but the boxing community knew him well enough. Name a boxing forum that wasn't flooded with messages calling out this fight after he beat Cintron. And if we're playing the "Who" game, who's Carlos Baldomir? who's Sharmba Mitchell? who's Henry Bruseles?

[TRUE WARRIOR]

hey man styles make fights and margarito would be mayweathers worst nightmare. to much size and to much power.