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  • realheavyhands
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    #51
    Originally posted by Technical_Skill
    Lol, Listen dude, i dunno how to break this to you, but Jack Johnson dont fight like mayweather and mayweather has alot more backlift on his right hand than Johnson.

    I repeat.

    Jack Johnson does not fight like James Toney or Mayweather.

    In my opinion of course.

    lol.
    i used to think the same thing, youll learn

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    • ThaHorseman
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      #52
      Originally posted by realheavyhands
      you just proved your self wrong.. did you see how he turned over his right hand yet can still hook off the jab.. he turn over his right hand beautifully something mayweather just learned to do vs oscar..he has a toney like right hand
      LOL. I really don't understand how you see him as a technically skilled fighter (no pun intended). Yes, he was great for his day, but more current fighters would EASILY have taken advantage of his MANY flaws. Ali would have embarrassed this man. Frazier would have beat him bloddy. Foreman would've put him to sleep. Lennox would've toyed with him all night. The list could go on.

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      • Technical_Skill
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        #53
        Originally posted by realheavyhands
        i used to think the same thing, youll learn
        Lol, maybe i will, that was one of jack's better fights, you gotta see the ones where he wrestles and then get back to me about toney and mayweather, its not even boxing, he virtually clotheslined this guy.lol.

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        • realheavyhands
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          #54
          Originally posted by ThaHorseman
          LOL. I really don't understand how you see him as a technically skilled fighter (no pun intended). Yes, he was great for his day, but more current fighters would EASILY have taken advantage of his MANY flaws. Ali would have embarrassed this man. Frazier would have beat him bloddy. Foreman would've put him to sleep. Lennox would've toyed with him all night. The list could go on.
          he was the first.. the pioneer of the style.. of course toney and mayweather and archie ali and holmes have better skills but they learned from him just like ali did.. and they learned things from him ... but he would be even beter in this era .. he would of been the greatest in any era he would evlolved

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          • j
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            #55
            since everyone from ali to bert sugar have jack in the top 5 or top 10, you people who say he was fairly skilless are going to have to prove he didn't have good skillful boxing. i do not need to prove he did because it is already accepted common boxing knowledge.

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            • the330ballers
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              #56
              Originally posted by Technical_Skill
              You cant explain because there is nothing to explain,

              and to real heavy hands, he hardly got hit?

              This is one of his better fights, look at the holding and wresting, no tactical brilliance here.

              lol.



              yeah i think the video says it all. i love jack johnson and what he did for the sport, he was great for his time. the sport has evolved since and boxers have picked up things from johnson. but i think that people tend to over rate the people who boxed a long time ago. im not saying that boxers today are the greatest cause theyre not. for whatever reason i think the best boxers came from the 40s but before that? ...

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              • SnoopySmurf
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                #57
                I believe if the boxers were trained in the modern art of boxing during the era which Jack Johnson had lived, Jack probably would have still been a champ. His reflexes and quick movement of his feet were much better than the plodding punchers.

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                • YNWA
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                  #58
                  holyfield and lewis both easily rate higher than tyson, who was notorious for being a ****ing dangerous brute. his early days were impressive as he swept through the ranks of one of the poorest HW eras there has been and then lost to douglas while he was still in his ****in prime befoere losin to tyson and holyfield

                  overrated. powerful and very dangerous, but no stamina, and couldnmyt take a punch

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                  • Mr. Violence
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by realheavyhands
                    top ten heavyweights all time
                    Joe Louis.
                    To be honest with you, number two is way off. Joe Louis is in a
                    class by himself.
                    Rocky Marciano.
                    Just look at Rocky Marciano's record. Nobody beat him. You can't
                    take that from him.
                    Jack Johnson.
                    A big brave cat, because he'd do whatever he wanted and get out of
                    the way.
                    Muhammad Ali.
                    Put him down as the GREATEST MAN to ever box, and a hero
                    bigger than boxing. Once Ali lost his speed, it only showed that
                    he'd never developed a great defense.
                    Joe Frazier.
                    Only because he depended solely on his left hook do I rate Joe
                    Frazier below Marciano. Marciano could hit with both hands.
                    Jack Dempsy.
                    Jack Dempsy's very name means strength and courage. Other than
                    Joe Louis, there is not a name in boxing or in sports with more
                    meaning.
                    Mike Tyson.
                    A phenomenon. What Mike Tyson was able to do with his speed of
                    hand and punching power is as phenomenal as what Muhammad
                    Ali did when he was Cassius Clay with speed of feet. Tyson
                    deserves to be in the top ten; this is where I put him, the youngest
                    man to become Heavyweight Champion of the World.
                    Sonny Liston.
                    If Sonny Liston truly had not lost his cool, had not underestimated a
                    young Cassius Clay; and kept the same mind set that he had as a
                    contender, history would have been a lot kinder to him. Sonny
                    Liston could not believe Muhammad Ali was so fast and had so
                    much courage. It just made him fall apart.
                    Floyd Patterson.
                    The First Two-Time Heavyweight Champion of the World.
                    Evander Holyfield.
                    For standing up to Mike Tyson



                    Mike Tyson does not belong in there.

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