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  • Alien_Tanks
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    Miguel Cotto is ONE DIMENSIONAL.

    What is it about Miguel Cotto, that would make people still believe he is ONE DIMENSIONAL?

    What makes him so one dimensional?

    The fact that he is always pressing the fight?
    Always going forward?
    Never running?
    What is so hard about running away?
    What is so hard about running and just throwing jabs all night?
    Does anyone think Cotto could not do this if he wanted to?

    The fact remains that Cotto throws about 80 to 100 punches per round.
    I don't call this being one dimensional. I consider this consistency.
    He does not waste many of his punches. That is called precision.
    He does not try to rush things. That is called patience.
    He can be hurt, wobbled and rocked but he knows what to do, if and when it occurs. I would call this an instinct and awareness. Even when he is out on his feet, he still does the right things necessary to regroup and continue fighting and get right back into the fight.
    He goes to the body, he goes to the head, he switches from left to right but it's not exaggerated and wont stay in the unorthoxed style long enough to let his opponent adapt.
    You can't stop him if he is cut.
    He is hard to frustrate and very hard to take him out of his game plan.
    He is not as slow as people claim he is because I have seen him catch weasels other people were unable to catch.

    The only draw back I see in him is that he likes to take risks. Judah was popping his azz with beautiful left uppercuts and Cotto just kept going forward. Judah has destroyed many fighters with this uppercut. You would have to think if Miguel's chin was really made of glass, two things should have happend. Cotto should have got knocked out and or got scared of trying. It would have made me think twice about charging in. But it was not the case with Miguel.
    Judah tried flurries and would miss.
    Cotto can move.
    You just don't hit him with every shot you are throwing... and in the process, while you are trying to throw and spill your load, he is there bobbing and weaving and will fire back. He wont just sit back and let you unload on him. There is no rope a dope in his manuscript. He will, for the most part, always make sure you don't out point him. If you throw 200 punches, he will try and throw 250 and be the one with more accuracy at the end of the punch stats.
    We have yet to see everything this kid is made of. I have watched all of his fights on numerous occassions and in every fight he always does something new or different and I guess this is all depending on who he is fighting. I would have to say that he is very teachable and knows how to stick to a gameplan that was developed before a fight.

    Knowing all of this, how does this make Miguel Cotto one dimensional? Was this started because Paulie Maligf@ggi began to say it and then Judah began to say the same thing?
    Was this just something people thought saying made them sound knowledgeable?

    Zab Judah said: "No one outside of the Latino community knows who Miguel Cotto is."

    In which Miguel replied: "I don't care if people know me or not. Come June 9th. You are going to know who I am."

    Now I am not saying this kid is perfect. Far from it.
    He has flaws, there are kinks in his armor.

    When he get's knocked the phuk out he will change his ways.
    Until then, he will continue to take risks and will do his best to make sure that the fight is not left in the hands of the judges.

    I am sure he thinks along the lines of Huerta.
    I would have rather got knocked the phuk out, then to have been robbed the way I was robbed.

    Cotto = 100% entertainment.

    You will always get a **** for your buck!

    I might have left somethings out here and there. You guys know I am not long winded and I like posting silly pictures and videos more than I do typing.

    If anyone cares to elaborate and or point out some of his flaws or strengths that I did not touch on in detail, please by all means...Knock yourself out.

  • realheavyhands
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    from what ive seen he cant fight going backwards to well at all... but as long as hes outweighing he opponets by 10-15 pounds he'll be alright

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      #3
      Originally posted by Alien_Tanks
      What is it about Miguel Cotto, that would make people still believe he is ONE DIMENSIONAL?

      What makes him so one dimensional?

      The fact that he is always pressing the fight?
      Always going forward?
      Never running?
      What is so hard about running away?
      What is so hard about running and just throwing jabs all night?
      Does anyone think Cotto could not do this if he wanted to?

      The fact remains that Cotto throws about 80 to 100 punches per round.
      I don't call this being one dimensional. I consider this consistency.
      He does not waste many of his punches. That is called precision.
      He does not try to rush things. That is called patience.
      He can be hurt, wobbled and rocked but he knows what to do, if and when it occurs. I would call this an instinct and awareness. Even when he is out on his feet, he still does the right things necessary to regroup and continue fighting and get right back into the fight.
      He goes to the body, he goes to the head, he switches from left to right but it's not exaggerated and wont stay in the unorthoxed style long enough to let his opponent adapt.
      You can't stop him if he is cut.
      He is hard to frustrate and very hard to take him out of his game plan.
      He is not as slow as people claim he is because I have seen him catch weasels other people were unable to catch.

      The only draw back I see in him is that he likes to take risks. Judah was popping his azz with beautiful left uppercuts and Cotto just kept going forward. Judah has destroyed many fighters with this uppercut. You would have to think if Miguel's chin was really made of glass, two things should have happend. Cotto should have got knocked out and or got scared of trying. It would have made me think twice about charging in. But it was not the case with Miguel.
      Judah tried flurries and would miss.
      Cotto can move.
      You just don't hit him with every shot you are throwing... and in the process, while you are trying to throw and spill your load, he is there bobbing and weaving and will fire back. He wont just sit back and let you unload on him. There is no rope a dope in his manuscript. He will, for the most part, always make sure you don't out point him. If you throw 200 punches, he will try and throw 250 and be the one with more accuracy at the end of the punch stats.
      We have yet to see everything this kid is made of. I have watched all of his fights on numerous occassions and in every fight he always does something new or different and I guess this is all depending on who he is fighting. I would have to say that he is very teachable and knows how to stick to a gameplan that was developed before a fight.

      Knowing all of this, how does this make Miguel Cotto one dimensional? Was this started because Paulie Maligf@ggi began to say it and then Judah began to say the same thing?
      Was this just something people thought saying made them sound knowledgeable?

      Zab Judah said: "No one outside of the Latino community knows who Miguel Cotto is."

      In which Miguel replied: "I don't care if people know me or not. Come June 9th. You are going to know who I am."

      Now I am not saying this kid is perfect. Far from it.
      He has flaws, there are kinks in his armor.

      When he get's knocked the phuk out he will change his ways.
      Until then, he will continue to take risks and will do his best to make sure that the fight is not left in the hands of the judges.

      I am sure he thinks along the lines of Huerta.
      I would have rather got knocked the phuk out, then to have been robbed the way I was robbed.

      Cotto = 100% entertainment.

      You will always get a **** for your buck!

      I might have left somethings out here and there. You guys know I am not long winded and I like posting silly pictures and videos more than I do typing.

      If anyone cares to elaborate and or point out some of his flaws or strengths that I did not touch on in detail, please by all means...Knock yourself out.



      i was saying the same thing about cotto being one dimensional. how can anyone say that.

      varied attack to head and body, always pressing the action, changing stances, works off the jab, uses the basic fundamentals in almost perfect fashion, he cuts off the ring, he's a machine when it comes to punch output. how could anyone be so obtuse to say that he is one dimensional.

      he does need to tighten up his defense and like you said he needs to be a little more economical with his risks, i too think that he takes more than he has to, but that makes him more exciting, other than that he's a well rounded fighter doing big things in boxing. also he conducts himself as a professional which the sport needs more guys to do to better represent the sport.
      Last edited by deuce_drop; 06-15-2007, 08:52 PM.

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      • Kball15
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        #4
        Originally posted by realheavyhands
        from what ive seen he cant fight going backwards to well at all... but as long as hes outweighing he opponets by 10-15 pounds he'll be alright
        he DEOSNT fight goin backward so its not a problem.

        But thats not even true. When torres and Judah had him hurt and against the ropes, he fought beautifully, landing hard combinations that forced both guys to stay back.

        Cotto isnt one dimensional at, its just his one main dimension is so overpowering that he doesnt have to bring out his other dimensions

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        • Alien_Tanks
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          #5
          Originally posted by realheavyhands
          from what ive seen he cant fight going backwards to well at all... but as long as hes outweighing he opponets by 10-15 pounds he'll be alright
          Very good interesting observations.
          I guess fighting backwards when you are always trying to go foward causes some conflict. He can fight going backwards but that is not his style.

          I have seen him fight while bouncing on his feet a la ALI going backwards but it is something he rarely does and this was very early in his career.

          Oh and BTW he looks good when he does it too.



          The weight observation is another good one.

          We shall just have to wait and see.

          He has not always been the bigger man in his fights.
          But as the competion get's better the fights should become more challenging.

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          • willnav
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            #6
            Originally posted by realheavyhands
            from what ive seen he cant fight going backwards to well at all... but as long as hes outweighing he opponets by 10-15 pounds he'll be alright
            Watch his early fights and you will see that he used to be a counterpuncher with a tight defense and fought going backwards the whole time. He was pressure to change his fight style ( after the bazan fight) to be more crowd pleasing by pressing the action. When he started doing this, is when he began taking more punishment and taking bigger risk to look for the ko. Watch the Cezar Bazan and Carlos Mausa fights. . . .

            By the way the only opponent who was out weight by that much was Corley who came at 140 on fightnight. Only bloom up boxers fight at the weight limit or under. Corley should be fighting at 135 not 140.
            Last edited by willnav; 06-15-2007, 09:19 PM.

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            • Left2body
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              #7
              Cotto does fight going backwards. Look at the Abdulev and I believe the N'Dou fights. He was backing up the whole time and took the role of boxer puncher.

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              • PRboxingfan
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                #8
                He didn't outweigh Quintana on the night they fought and I bet that, while we don't have fight-night weights, that he was only 4-5 pounds heavier than Judah.

                Oh, and Cotto doesn't throw 80-100 punches a round, he's not a volume puncher a la Ouma. Cotto throws an average of 60 punches a round; enough to stay active and be consistent while still measuring his pace.

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                • Buckfever
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                  Well I just watched the Cotto/Judah fight. We knew about the body shots. What surprised me was Cotto's jab. He has a hammer of a jab, which really took away options from Judah. The other thing was Cotto's timing was way better than I expected, maybe that's improved. And he is a very strong welterweight. I don't see him as one dimensional, at all. His defense needs to be better, although he did make adjustments in the fight. I do think he would benefit from someone working with him on defense.

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                  • realheavyhands
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                    the good thing about cotto is when he gets hit and hurt hes still calm that maybe his best attribute becuase his defense is suspect but it got beter

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