A MAJOR difference between MMA/UFC and BOXING

[fluent2332]

bull****, total bull****.

its better when everyone fights everyone when everyone fights no one like in boxing. ortiz, liddel, and couture are all nobodies cuz they all fought and beat each other. yeah, thats like saying foreman, ali, and frazier are all nobodies cuz they fought and beat each other.

boxing and UFC are identical in the comeback department. a win and a loss can make you or break you in both sports, it all depends on how you handle it. nobody forces you to disappear after you lose. you DO have the option of fighting again. it all depends on how much you want to.

so, when tito and liddell got knocked out, they lost all their star power, right? i guess thats why liddell appeared on late night with dave letterman a week after he lost. after forrest griffin got knocked out, nobody wanted to see him again, right? i guess thats why dana white still has him fighting in the UFC, cuz nobody wants to see him....

in the past seven months, every UFC title has changed hands, the welterweight title twice. you mean to tell me that none of those fights were upsets? couture beating tim sylvia wasnt an upset? jackson knocking out liddell in the 1st wasnt an upset? anderson silva knocking out rich franklin in the 1st wasnt an upset? you cannot possibly say that matt serra knocking out george st pierre (in the 1st round no less) was not an upset. thats just ****ing ******, saying the UFC has "no upsets".

the mayweather/de la hoya fight was a once in a lifetime thing. there will never be a superfight that big again, especially not in the sorry ass state boxing is in right now. BOXING is the one with no superstars. the only one left is de la hoya and he's on his way out. UFC gets an average of 15,000 people in their PPVs. boxing in america draws a paltry 8,000.

if the UFC is a fad, what does that make boxing? the real deal? the sport that will survive? the sport that people will talk about and be attracted to for years to come?

boxing isnt dying, its commiting suicide. dont feel sorry for a business that ****s itself over.

how can you classify those fights as upsets when it happens all the time? the so called UFC "champions" are not that much better then the rest of the pack which is exactly my point. you can't call it an upset when any fighter can get KTFO on any night. in boxing fights mean much more and upsets happen less often. you don't see top guys getting KTFO in the first round by another guy who has been KTFO himself. if that happened boxing would be considered a JOKE

just think about it a few years down the road. everyone in the ufc will have lost to every other joe schmoe who no one gives a **** about, titles switching hands every fight, what does that leave you? a system where fights mean NOTHING and you could switch the name of every fighter and it wouldn't ****ing matter. people are just watching to see someone get brutally KO'd, they could give a **** less about records or a fighters legacy, or belts, etc. i remember watching a UFC show where they just shoveled the guys in the octagon and gave you a 10 second background of who the hell these guys are, like you're supposed to care. they themselve know that no one gives a **** about that and only care about someone getting his face ripped off with an elbow. but that fascination with brutal KO's will only last so long. UFC is all flash no substance and they know it. in a few years the explosion will be over and it will have no substance to survive on, the flash will be gone, and it won't be half as big as it is right now. they're just cashing in as much as they can right now.

boxing = long term, substance. which is why its lasted since the 1800s

UFC = short-term flash

its that simple

[bengidaro]

TheEvilSaint first of all chill the **** out. Secondly boxing is far from dying and if you think it is than you better know more about a sport your bashing. Let me break apart your reply paragraph by paragraph for easier reading.

1) You can't compare Ali and Foreman to Ortiz and Lidell because yes they all fought each other but when you both win and lose to a guy with no real winner after their series of fights you can't shoose who was better. I know Ali was better than Foreman do you know who was better in your matchups?

2)In b oxing if you lose no one says "get out of the sport you suck" you not only have the chance to fight again you need to fight again. Your pride is on the line and no one will stop you from defending that.

3) Losers don't dissapear they just don't want their ****ed up face on Dave Letterman after they lose talking about why. When boxers lose they go to the gym to get better and win again instead of having Dave say how sorry he is that you got ****ed up.

4)Do you really want the title to change that much. How else are stars defined then to defend their title instead of losing it. Also all the UFC fans have said it its a coin toss so there aren't real upsets.

5)Mayweather v De La Hoya will not be the last mega fight and if you think that your an ignorant *******.

6)Boxing has survived since ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TIMES!!!

7)How is a sport that is making an effort to become more popular killing itself.

That all I got but if you want to come up with another bull**** answer you'll have to pull it out of your ass Houdini. Sleep on that and get back to me.

[TheEvilSaint]

how can you classify those fights as upsets when it happens all the time? the so called UFC "champions" are not that much better then the rest of the pack which is exactly my point. you can't call it an upset when any fighter can get KTFO on any night. in boxing fights mean much more and upsets happen less often. you don't see top guys getting KTFO in the first round by another guy who has been KTFO himself. if that happened boxing would be considered a JOKE

just think about it a few years down the road. everyone in the ufc will have lost to every other joe schmoe who no one gives a **** about, titles switching hands every fight, what does that leave you? a system where fights mean NOTHING and you could switch the name of every fighter and it wouldn't ****ing matter. people are just watching to see someone get brutally KO'd, they could give a **** less about records or a fighters legacy, or belts, etc. i remember watching a UFC show where they just shoveled the guys in the octagon and gave you a 10 second background of who the hell these guys are, like you're supposed to care. they themselve know that no one gives a **** about that and only care about someone getting his face ripped off with an elbow. but that fascination with brutal KO's will only last so long. UFC is all flash no substance and they know it. in a few years the explosion will be over and it will have no substance to survive on, the flash will be gone, and it won't be half as big as it is right now. they're just cashing in as much as they can right now.

boxing = long term, substance. which is why its lasted since the 1800s

UFC = short-term flash

its that simple

no substance? are you kidding me? are you telling me that you agree with hopkins, morrison and every other dumbass who think that ju-jitsu, wrestling, grappling, and submissions have no substance to them and it takes no skill to master those techniques? watch a BJ Penn fight and tell me theres no substance there.

the UFC is successful for the same reason mike tyson was successful: people love brutality. theres almost no brutality in boxing anymore. the UFC is full of blood, brawls, and people getting hurt. we dont like to admit it, but brutality entertains us. boxing is like drama, UFC is like action, its all a preference.

boxing is nothing like it was back in the 1800s. back then, it was a way of life. now, its a way to make money. thats the only reason why people box: money. no love for the sport, no respect for tradition, its all about money and ur ego. and the promoters and sanctioning bodies just add more and more poison to boxing's saturated blood. and boxing is making absolutely no effort to improve itself.

in the UFC, the some of the fighters get paid 3 to 8 grand a fight. liddell made $450,000 in his fight with jackson. that shows that MMA fighters dont fight for money. they fight because they love to fight. its exciting, there are submissions and stoppages in about 90% of the fights we see. the same cannot be said for boxing, which is all about hitting and not getting hit when it should be about putting asses in seats, like cus d'mato said.

UFC sells, boxing doesnt.

[bengidaro]

P.S. idon't know how that shut up ***** got in there

[TheEvilSaint]

TheEvilSaint first of all chill the **** out. Secondly boxing is far from dying and if you think it is than you better know more about a sport your bashing. Let me break apart your reply paragraph by paragraph for easier reading.

1) You can't compare Ali and Foreman to Ortiz and Lidell because yes they all fought each other but when you both win and lose to a guy with no real winner after their series of fights you can't shoose who was better. I know Ali was better than Foreman do you know who was better in your matchups?

2)In b oxing if you lose no one says "get out of the sport you suck" you not only have the chance to fight again you need to fight again. Your pride is on the line and no one will stop you from defending that.

3) Losers don't dissapear they just don't want their ****ed up face on Dave Letterman after they lose talking about why. When boxers lose they go to the gym to get better and win again instead of having Dave say how sorry he is that you got ****ed up.

4)Do you really want the title to change that much. How else are stars defined then to defend their title instead of losing it. Also all the UFC fans have said it its a coin toss so there aren't real upsets.

5)Mayweather v De La Hoya will not be the last mega fight and if you think that your an ignorant *******.

6)Boxing has survived since ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TIMES!!!

7)How is a sport that is making an effort to become more popular killing itself.

That all I got but if you want to come up with another bull**** answer you'll have to pull it out of your ass Houdini. Sleep on that and get back to me.

1st of all, stop acting like a child putting all these smiley faces on ur post, acting like you put up an actual arguement that you feel oh so proud of.

who was the best of liddell, ortiz, and couture? liddell stopped ortiz and couture twice. theres your winner. agreed, hes not on the same par as muhammad ali, but its the same scenario.

i never said pbf/dlh will be the last one. but i did say it will be the last one with that much hype around. what are the next fights in boxing that will get people talking, make headlines, be anticipated and will sell like crazy? that was the last one of that magnitude.

who cares how long boxing has been around? its been a sport until promoters and sanctioning bodies came around, and i dont think its going anywhere, meaning it's going to stay in the ****ter.

[fluent2332]

no substance? are you kidding me? are you telling me that you agree with hopkins, morrison and every other dumbass who think that ju-jitsu, wrestling, grappling, and submissions have no substance to them and it takes no skill to master those techniques? watch a BJ Penn fight and tell me theres no substance there.

the UFC is successful for the same reason mike tyson was successful: people love brutality. theres almost no brutality in boxing anymore. the UFC is full of blood, brawls, and people getting hurt. we dont like to admit it, but brutality entertains us. boxing is like drama, UFC is like action, its all a preference.

boxing is nothing like it was back in the 1800s. back then, it was a way of life. now, its a way to make money. thats the only reason why people box: money. no love for the sport, no respect for tradition, its all about money and ur ego. and the promoters and sanctioning bodies just add more and more poison to boxing's saturated blood. and boxing is making absolutely no effort to improve itself.

in the UFC, the some of the fighters get paid 3 to 8 grand a fight. liddell made $450,000 in his fight with jackson. that shows that MMA fighters dont fight for money. they fight because they love to fight. its exciting, there are submissions and stoppages in about 90% of the fights we see. the same cannot be said for boxing, which is all about hitting and not getting hit when it should be about putting asses in seats, like cus d'mato said.

UFC sells, boxing doesnt.

you know damn well when the UFC starts paying their fighters more that the business aspect will enter the UFC just like it enters everything else. you will start having guys be more selective about who they fight because they want to make the big money in the long run. but by that time the UFC will be back down to ground level in terms of popularity so it won't matter much. if the UFC fighters were smart they would demand big money now because their popularity isn't going to last long.

sure there is some substance in terms of fighting style, but its a jack of all trades/master of none. there is more substance in a refined boxer who focuses on one thing - boxing, then a guy who focuses on 5 things, and is "OK" at all of them. notice how the poster boy for the UFC, chuck liddell, is a poor man's boxer. yet he's the one doing the most damage in the UFC.

again, UFC will sell now, but in the long run the fascination with knees to the face will end and it will be back to the same old crap we saw before it blew up. all because there is no long term strategy of building the sport. it is a matter of blow up huge right now, sacrifice the long term.

no disrespect, thats just how i see it. i've seen this cycle many times. its the new world series of poker

[TheEvilSaint]

you know damn well when the UFC starts paying their fighters more that the business aspect will enter the UFC just like it enters everything else. you will start having guys be more selective about who they fight because they want to make the big money in the long run. but by that time the UFC will be back down to ground level in terms of popularity so it won't matter much. if the UFC fighters were smart they would demand big money now because their popularity isn't going to last long.

sure there is some substance in terms of fighting style, but its a jack of all trades/master of none. there is more substance in a refined boxer who focuses on one thing - boxing, then a guy who focuses on 5 things, and is "OK" at all of them. notice how the poster boy for the UFC, chuck liddell, is a poor man's boxer. yet he's the one doing the most damage in the UFC.

again, UFC will sell now, but in the long run the fascination with knees to the face will end and it will be back to the same old crap we saw before it blew up. all because there is no long term strategy of building the sport. it is a matter of blow up huge right now, sacrifice the long term.

no disrespect, thats just how i see it. i've seen this cycle many times. its the new world series of poker

yes, theres a business side to the UFC. but unlike boxing, the UFC has people IN CHARGE. there is a president of the UFC, some1 who makes decisions and makes fights happen. if two promoters cant agree on one thing (in boxing), the fight doesnt happen. one little pebble in the road can stop the whole circus that is the process of making a boxing match.

chuck liddell isnt paid to be a boxer. his style isnt boxing. thats just how things are, you cant be a master of everything. there are refined boxers and refined MMA fighters. look at BJ Penn. his submissions, reversals, and his flexibility is phenominal. its a helluva thing to see him and the submissions he pulls off. the substance is there.

besides, nobody pays to see a refined boxer dance around and jab some1 for 12 ungodly rounds. i dont see how anybody could have enjoyed winky/tito or mayweather/baldomir. wheres the drama in that? wheres the intrest in a one-sided boxing lesson?

ironic how the sport turned into a business i.e. boxing for the sole purpose of making money isnt the one that sells, isnt it?

[fluent2332]

yes, theres a business side to the UFC. but unlike boxing, the UFC has people IN CHARGE. there is a president of the UFC, some1 who makes decisions and makes fights happen. if two promoters cant agree on one thing (in boxing), the fight doesnt happen. one little pebble in the road can stop the whole circus that is the process of making a boxing match.

chuck liddell isnt paid to be a boxer. his style isnt boxing. thats just how things are, you cant be a master of everything. there are refined boxers and refined MMA fighters. look at BJ Penn. his submissions, reversals, and his flexibility is phenominal. its a helluva thing to see him and the submissions he pulls off. the substance is there.

besides, nobody pays to see a refined boxer dance around and jab some1 for 12 ungodly rounds. i dont see how anybody could have enjoyed winky/tito or mayweather/baldomir. wheres the drama in that? wheres the intrest in a one-sided boxing lesson?

ironic how the sport turned into a business i.e. boxing for the sole purpose of making money isnt the one that sells, isnt it?

whats more ironic is the fact UFC is selling more but the fighters get paid less. ever wonder why that is? its because the UFC themselves know that they employ a bunch of REPLACEABLE fighters. you don't want the $250,000? ok, some other guy who can somewhat brawl will take it. the UFC understands the fans dont really give a **** whos fighting, they're after the blood and gore, so they can put any guy who can brawl in the ring and get more **** for their buck.

do you really think a sport who's owners realize the fact that their fighters are replaceable is going to last forever?

[TheEvilSaint]

whats more ironic is the fact UFC is selling more but the fighters get paid less. ever wonder why that is? its because the UFC themselves know that they employ a bunch of REPLACEABLE fighters. you don't want the $250,000? ok, some other guy who can somewhat brawl will take it. the UFC understands the fans dont really give a **** whos fighting, they're after the blood and gore, so they can put any guy who can brawl in the ring and get more **** for their buck.

do you really think a sport who's owners realize the fact that their fighters are replaceable is going to last forever?

the boxers get paid more cuz thats what they got into boxing for: money, like i said earlier. you dont need to get paid $10 million a fight to live a comfortable life. thats where the promoters and sanctioning bodies come in. they come with the money.

if dollars were earned, boxers would get paid a helluva lot less.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

6)Boxing has survived since ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TIMES!!!

So has MMA.