When did the Heavyweight division lose it's appeal??

[Kobe Bryant]

When Lewis reitered, I really enjoyed his fights and I'm sure everyone else did as well. Since he's been gone the only consistent fighter in the division has been Wlad.

[Steelhammer86]

you are sick in the head if you believe that. this is without a doubt, the worst era of heavyweight boxing anyone could imagine. zero talent, zero marketability. it's a big dud, a non-factor in boxing right now. remember the last heavyweight ppv fight that meant something? what was it, 5 years ago now?

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to say I'm "sick in the head" because I like the heavyweight division. I know why you're whining about it being so bad - you should learn to see past your prejudice!

I like Chagaev, Maskaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin and the Klitschkos even though they were born in different countries than myself. I know the real reason you don't like them - the same reason you hate Hatton and Calzaghe, right?

[DiegoFuego]

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to say I'm "sick in the head" because I like the heavyweight division. I know why you're whining it being so bad - you should learn to see past your prejudice!

I like Chagaev, Maskaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin and the Klitschkos even though they were born in different countries than myself. I know the real reason you don't like them - the same reason you hate Hatton and Calzaghe, right?

I don't like Hatton because he turned Mayweather down twice and suddenly wants to fight him

I don't like Calzaghe because he never fights anyone.

But they are both pound for pound boxers, among the top 6 in the world. I would never try to deny that.

But as far as the heavyweights are concerned, they are weak and none of them have anything that would help them survive in other eras. That's just a fact. Some of them are good at a lot of stuff, but none of them are great in all areas. Thus, none of them are great. Don't try to say I'm racist or nationalist because I never said Briggs had any talent either. All the heavyweight champs aside from Maskaev are better than Briggs. I don't know what you're trying to get at with these comments.

[Steelhammer86]

I don't like Hatton because he turned Mayweather down twice and suddenly wants to fight him

I don't like Calzaghe because he never fights anyone.

But they are both pound for pound boxers, among the top 6 in the world. I would never try to deny that.

But as far as the heavyweights are concerned, they are weak and none of them have anything that would help them survive in other eras. That's just a fact. Some of them are good at a lot of stuff, but none of them are great in all areas. Thus, none of them are great. Don't try to say I'm racist or nationalist because I never said Briggs had any talent either. All the heavyweight champs aside from Maskaev are better than Briggs. I don't know what you're trying to get at with these comments.

You remind me of Archie Bunker. He didn't like foreigners either.

[niceguy45]

no question about it, right when lewis retired

[Brother Blues]

Anyone who says the heavyweight division is better than its ever been is truly a fan.
Not only is the hevyweight division splintered worse than it's ever been,the quality of not only the champions,but all so the suspects are also worse than ever.
I'm not a racist,and if there was a legit champ from another country that would be one thing...but to have a Maskaev,a Chagaev,an Ibragimov be considered a champ makes the entire division a joke.
And I will add Shannon Briggs and Lamont Brewster to those names also.

The closest we have to a real champ is Klitscho...but he has the glass chin and can be knocked out by any mediocre fighter on any day.

I believe the division is in dire straights...at least in the USA.And yes part of the reason is that there are no good heavies from this country.
But also...we know a joke when we see one.And we see jokes...imagine,a big goon like Value,calling himself a champ.Perhaps of the circus...even Don King and his European counterparts couldn't sell that bull**** here.

Here's a point....is there any heavyweight match-up that they can put on PPV?...no there isn't.
Which shows you how bad things are.

I'm glad your glass is half full...cause mine is half empty.

And if any of these Euro-guys were the least bit legit...they would be huge in the USA.After all,they are white...and in America,they are always looking for a 'great white hope'.
But...as I said,we know a joke.

Oh,to answer the post...yeah,when Lewis retired.After him there has been no one where you can look and say...he's the champ.

John Ruiz was a champ...I rest my case.

[The Troll]

Holyfield Lennox Lewis I and II.

[Steelhammer86]

Chagaev, Povetkin, Maskaev, Klitschko and Ibragimov are excellent heavyweights, but no matter what they do they will never be recognized by some Americans because of the Archie Bunker mentality. All they remember is Wlad's losses, not his 43 KO's and 48 wins. It's the same with Hatton and Calzaghe - top level, but get no recognition because they were born on the wrong side of the ocean.

There's an old song by Bob Dylan "How many roads must a man walk down before they call him a man? The answer is blowing in the wind." If Ibragimov and Chagaev win their next 10 fights, or if Wlad unifies the division, there will still be no recognition. I'm sorry if some people's cups are half empty, but mine is completely full!

[werewolf]

Good post, CJ!




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[werewolf]

BB wrote: "And if any of these Euro-guys were the least bit legit...they would be huge in the USA.After all,they are white...and in America,they are always looking for a 'great white hope'.
But...as I said,we know a joke."


Uh, no. Now they are looking for a Great Black Hope - or a Great Black Dope - as the talking heads in the US media used to be so fond of tossing about, in reverse, of course.




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