Attn all Vitali Klitschko haters.

[Neuraxis]

This assesment is spot on. I think Toney fans really enjoy the vintage boxing skills that JT displays. Further, he has lost fights already so there is no expection of invincibility. He is just a great fighter to watch practice his craft. His **** talk is a little over the top sometimes but it makes him more exciting. I would like to repeat that I like the Klitchkos I just wish the fans would chill a little.

I recognize you from ESB, so I know that you know who the posters LightsOut and LightsOutRueben are. They are total fanatics.

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He has my respect as a fighter.

He can earn my respect as a champion by unifying the title with with the winner of Ruiz vs Golota.

He is a nice guy but winning a belt by beating a semi-retired, overweight golfer doesnt make him a champ in my opinion.

[ejk22]

If he defeats Williams he needs to fight Chris Byrd afterwards because the only way he will get any type of respect from some boxing fans would be to defeat Byrd and defeat him soundly.

[ChrististheAnswer]

I don't hate Vitali, I don't hate anyone, but some of his and his brother fans are just unbelievably fanatical, like jose said you can't carry on a normal conversation with them.

[marvdave]

Vitali has my respect as a fighter, I just don't think he should be considered great yet. The real problem isn't Vitali, it's Wlad and the blind support he gets from many fans. Alot of the fanatical fans are unreasonable and make too many excuses for their guy. I respect the fact that the Brothers have such a huge and loyal fan base, I just wish it was easier to have a conversation with them. By the way, I hate the term "hater". Sounds like gradeschool lingo. If one thinks Vitali or any fighter has issues, that doesn't always mean they are hating..it could be reality.

Alot of times, the Brothers take more heat than they deserve becuase the fans are so unreasonable. (not all, some)


ps- Torino, I can feel one of your "to fit your own agenda" routines coming

[BrooklynBomber]

So it looks like most of the haters hat Klit brothers not for what they are but for their fans.
Quiet interesting and very sad

[Neuraxis]

Or because many of their fans disagree with the haters about Wlad being a glass chinned, no confidence loser like they see him. And if you disagree and offer up evidence as to why you disagree, they come back and say that the Klitschko fans are unbearable to talk to. Its really quite sad.

[Sir_Jose]

Or because many of their fans disagree with the haters about Wlad being a glass chinned, no confidence loser like they see him. And if you disagree and offer up evidence as to why you disagree, they come back and say that the Klitschko fans are unbearable to talk to. Its really quite sad.

No its really quite the truth.

Wlad fans offer no REASON as to why there fighter is still a player in the division its all Uh...Uh...Uh Cause I say so type stuff.

how many guys have you had come on this thread and say they cant talk to Wlad fans?

[Neuraxis]

This coming from the guy who doesn't think that Wlad has changed his style after he took on Manny as his trainer. Why does Wlad have such a weak chin? He has had one loss where his chin was the deciding factor, and it was against one of the hardest hitting southpaws ever. Yes Wlad didn't look as good people were expecting him to look against TOS. Its hard to look good against someone who fights a defensive fight against you, but he did outland TOS 3-1. Just look at how Wlad looked against Shufford.

[vB Martin]

Or because many of their fans disagree with the haters about Wlad being a glass chinned, no confidence loser like they see him. And if you disagree and offer up evidence as to why you disagree, they come back and say that the Klitschko fans are unbearable to talk to. Its really quite sad.

I have seen no "evidence" offered as to why Wlad lost to 2 fighters he should have beaten easily if he's all the Klit fans say he is.
All I've heard is crap about drugging, vaseline, lack of humidifiers, Emmanuel Steward, etc. Always some excuse.

My favorite was the Klingons. At least that one was believable.

Vitali has a chance at greatness. All he needs to to beat Chris Byrd convincingly and have some real competition materialize out of nowhere. I think the best fights he can make right now are against Golota, a legitimate threat if he doesn't crack up in the ring, Toney, a fan favorite and Jameel McLine, if for no other reason than to show he can beat up big guys, too.

Wlad has a chance, too. I only count him out in the meantime. I think it will be a long, hard road for him to recover, and I stick by my idea that he needs to drop 15 lbs or so to help him with his endurance and balance. He just doesn't have the frame to carry 245 lbs gracefully.