Are many of us hypocrites?

[MetalVomit]

I don't think anyone's comparing him to Floyd Mayweather, but Pavlik can fight, based on what I saw against Miranda, he took some flush shots well, and dished out some serious ****ing punishment.

[Njord777]

I can see where the Mayweather comparison got me. It was just an example. Already half the thread is saying that they'd rather watch Pavlik than Floyd, though. What does that tell you about what the fans want to see? Only knockouts. That's probably why UFC is truly gaining so much steam. If you just want brutality..well...there we go.

Don't we have to be careful who we consider "a new superstar in boxing"? Are we so anxious for more name recognition that we'd induct Kelly Pavlik as a new rising star after beating Miranda? Miranda proved to have amazing heart and power- but also to be extremely one dimensional. How does it help our sport for us to prematurely ejaculate over some new boxer, untested by and large, with defensive flows and yet pop? We could tout him up to the mainstream media and then watch him get owned by a foreign fighter like Kessler. Then how do we look? Next time we tug on the mainstream sleeve and say, "Ooh, Ooh, we have a new fighter..." they'll ignore us. "Like that Pavlik kid that got knocked out, right? Save it...we have to talk about football and basketball.."

[The Troll]

He's a breath of fresh air from Jermaine Taylor's terrible fights and your thread is premised on that a fighters popularity should be inextricably tied to their record. Even at that, like somebody else said, Floyd hasn't fought many top guys since 135. His best fight in his entire career was against Diego Corrales at 130. De La Hoya has lost 4 of his last 5 fights, I still give Floyd credit for going up that many weight classes and beating him but that's something of a major consideration. And if you can dominate fights the way Floyd does in alot of them it's ascinine that you dont step up and press the fight, put together some combinations and try to finish. That's just basic boxing.

[Verstyle]

palvik beat a drained miranda,it was too damn obvious to tell. If u guys havnt done a sport where your exhausted from training or weight draining then u wont know what im taking about.I used to weight drain alot in wrestling and it affected me cause I would get extremly exhausted during the matches.

[The Troll]

And the goal of boxing is to beat your opponent to a pulp, to knock him unconscious if possible, everything in between that just a means.

[Njord777]

My thread is no shape, way or form trying to suggest a fighter's record should be tied to his popularity. I'm all to aware boxers are protected in today's sport to have inflated, undefeated records. Perhaps like Pavlik, too? The Mayweather comparison was to say...look at what fighter A had accomplished at the same time in his career, now look at where fighter A is. Undefeated, beating good opposition- and yet falling behind in the fan's eyes due to his style. Fighter B, Pavlik, beats on big puncher with questionable skill and he's raised up as the next big thing. A rising star. A new face in boxing. From beating Miranda, really. That's what did it. One fighter whom proved to be very one dimensional has made Pavlik the new kid on the block.

Consider this thread as a word of warning- me playing devil's advocate- we can't hype up every big puncher that comes in here. People did this exact same thing with Miranda after the Gibbs and Green fights...now they've jumped ship to Pavlik. We need to see these guys for what they are...big punchers who may be a force in the future but who are still largely question marks.

[El Jesus]

My thread is no shape, way or form trying to suggest a fighter's record should be tied to his popularity. I'm all to aware boxers are protected in today's sport to have inflated, undefeated records. Perhaps like Pavlik, too? The Mayweather comparison was to say...look at what fighter A had accomplished at the same time in his career, now look at where fighter A is. Undefeated, beating good opposition- and yet falling behind in the fan's eyes due to his style. Fighter B, Pavlik, beats on big puncher with questionable skill and he's raised up as the next big thing. A rising star. A new face in boxing. From beating Miranda, really. That's what did it. One fighter whom proved to be very one dimensional has made Pavlik the new kid on the block.

Consider this thread as a word of warning- me playing devil's advocate- we can't hype up every big puncher that comes in here. People did this exact same thing with Miranda after the Gibbs and Green fights...now they've jumped ship to Pavlik. We need to see these guys for what they are...big punchers who may be a force in the future but who are still largely question marks.

I think people are missing your point, people are in love with power, period. Its the reason Edison Miranda can still be loved after getting his ass kicked 7 straight rounds and floyd is hated. Power and the willingness to engage, take some to get some. People love it, period.

[The Troll]

There's a point where you have to stop being pessimistic. Especially when the guy rated #1 in the divison is Jermaine Taylor. Pavlik can definitely at the very least hang with that kind of competition. In my opinion anyway.

[The Troll]

I think people are missing your point, people are in love with power, period. Its the reason Edison Miranda can still be loved after getting his ass kicked 7 straight rounds and floyd is hated. Power and the willingness to engage, take some to get some. People love it, period.

agression should be rewarded when its your goal as a boxer to beat your opponent as badly as possibly. When you control a fight like Floyd did there its your job as boxer to step up and finish the fight.

[The Troll]

Not because it's entertaing. Because that is what a dominate, great boxer does.