Teddy Atlas: The athletes: boxers, fighters, and others, are not heroes. Soldiers are

[Thoth]

I love the ****** generalizations in this thread amongst much of the other utter ******ity mentioned by some of you.

As for Black Jesus, dude don't even bother. Those other two are completely ignoring most of your posts and just sounding off about "support the troops".

Anyway, this thread failed to deliver.

[guzi815]

LOL @ NCO in just a matter of months. The army promotes faster than the air force though, so they have alot more slots for NCO's to move up. But i think you understood my point the best, im not going to pretend and buy into the whole heroic crusade ideal because i think that would be unquestionably arrogant. People in the civilian world already get mad when you try to put it on people about how "I WAS IN THE MILITARY AND IN THE MILITARY I DID THIS AND THIS AND THIS" etc. Once you leave the military and take the uniform off your just like anyone else. To be a hero to me you have to do elevate yourself amongst your peers and do something to be called that. If you went overseas, did your job and came home, then thats what you did, but if you rescued some folks or did some crazy **** to keep others alive, then to me you are a hero. You see what im saying?

But this is me after my article 15. Notice i have 4 ribbons, one of them im not wearing because i couldnt find it.

I honestly think your one of the only people here other than a couple others who really understands where im coming from.

ay, you look squared away man! I recognized The National Defense Medal, and the OEF Expeditionary Medal. I think you get to wear a bronze star on NDM, I came in before 9/11, so you are authorized to wear it on you Class-A. So yeah, check this out...I came home, January 2004, after serving 250 days in OEF, and wow, it was like everybody and thier mom's wanted to shake my hand and say "Thank you". and I didn't know how to react cause I was just doing what I signed up to do, i was just doing my job. Anyway, two years later...I get the "sucks-to-be-you" look! I can't even get on the bus for free any more, LOL! Not asking for special privilages or anything, but ay man, I know exactly what your saying about.."when the Uniform comes off". I'm content just being a regular joe. All the heroes are in Arlington. Peace brother...keep in touch.

[macman]

Found this...

Says pretty well everything on the subject.

Memorandum for Record: Military Spending Concerns

FROM: SPC Freeman, Milo; US Army, Iraq

TO: Senate ********s, **********s, and "American Idol" viewers across the nation.

1. You. Punk. Ass. Pantywaisted. Bitches.

2. You had a chance. You could have put your money where your mouth is--could have put some ass behind all those claims of "favoring an end to war."

3. And you ****ing choked.

4. Let me explain something to you. Your children; your spouses; your lovers and friends and parents and CONSTITUENTS are hostages to this war. They're dying for a conflict with no concrete objective. They're losing marriages and childhood moments to a never-ending cycle of extended tours. Their equipment, their morale, is stretched thin. And some of them--those of us smart enough not to buy the ****ing hype--were counting on you to find your ****ing testicles and put an end to this ****. We were counting on you to save us from ourselves; to find a way to put us to use serving our country in ways perhaps more effective in rebuilding our nation.

5. And you. ****ing. Choked.

6. I haven't gotten a current edition of the paper in months. It's always a day behind. I don't get to check the news--I barely have the time. So what am I to think when I read yesterday's Stars and Stripes, and hear about this ****? Is that supposed to tell me that my leaders, my countrymen give a flying **** about what happens to me or my wife? Is that the message I'm supposed to glean from this STUNNING lack of cojones? Because I gotta tell you, America, I'm not seeing it.

7. I'm so sick of hearing this wretched war talked about in terms of Victory or Defeat. "If we leave, the *********s will win."

8. **** that.

9. Today it's *********s. Yesterday it was Blacks/Gays/***s/Hippies. Before that it was Communists. Before that, it was Uppity Colonials with Secondhand Muskets and Pitchforks. It's always ****ing something with you people, isn't it?

10.You just need your little wars to feel good about yourselves, don't you? Something to make you feel threatened; something to make you feel heroic; ANYTHING to make you feel like your pathetic lives are more than just you against the Big, Black, Scary Infinite. Well, obviously, it's working.

11. You don't magically "win" an occupation. It's an inevitable bleed-out. We're stuck in a situation beyond our powers to fix, in a country that WE voted to destroy, whose history and people we neither understand nor care to try. We bought the hype, hook-line-and-sinker.

12. **** Victory. **** Defeat. Any way you slice it, This. War. Is. Wrong.

13.You don't keep trying to win the game after it turns out you bribed the refs. You fire the coaches and/or players responsible, and you hand over the Title. You take your lumps like a ****ing man and try to rebuild. Accept it.

13. Hope you're happy, America. Clutch your pearls about all those dirty ******** who voted against the proposal ("They didn't Support The Troops!"). Whine about all the evil elderly schoolteachers and librarians protesting the war on a Saturday morning outside your courthouse.

14. But when your son or daughter or spouse or first lay comes home airfreight, mangled into a closed-casket service by a daisy-chain of 155s buried under Route Tampa, remember this:

15. It won't be the dirty ******** who put them there.

16. Hoo-ah.

//

ORIGINAL SIGNED
Milo Freeman, SPC
United States Army, Iraq

[guzi815]

Found this...

Says pretty well everything on the subject.

ay, somebody get this man a beer. SPC Milo Freeman, where ever you are dude, we will freakin drink some cold ones you get back. HOOAH!!!

SGT Guzman
20th Engineer Brigade
AIRBORNE!

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I agree with Teddy pretty much. Boxers fight for their own wealth and put on a show for the people. The bottomline is they got into the buisness to make money.

I see your point, etc, I do...I just wanted to interject something here.....Idid NO get in the sport of boxing to make money( I know I am one of the few who can say that)...I actually talk about this in my book....the fact that I used to get paid to go spar Roy Jones, James Toney etc...the fact that I got paid as much as I did to fight Michael Nun etc always made me laugh!!! When they would pay me after sparring Roy at the end of the week..I used to laugh to myself and think how crazy it would be to them if they knew i would have sparred him for free.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I had to fix the typos LOL

Quote: Originally Posted by ELPacman
I agree with Teddy pretty much. Boxers fight for their own wealth and put on a show for the people. The bottomline is they got into the buisness to make money.


I see your point, etc, I do...I just wanted to interject something here.....I did NOT get in the sport of boxing to make money (I know I am one of the few who can say that)... I actually talk about this in my book....the fact that I used to get paid to go spar Roy Jones, James Toney, etc...the fact that I got paid as much as I did to fight Michael Nunn, etc always made me laugh!!! When they would pay me after sparring Roy, at the end of the week, I used to laugh to myself and think how crazy it would be to them if they knew I would have sparred him for free.