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kaygay gets pwned again. Poor bloke.
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You don't know me.
But I'll repeat:
He throws only two punches with remote effectiveness, jab and cross. The jab has a hitch; he drops his hand when he throws; the right he telegraphs, and his balance is off when he throws it. He tries to throw a hook, but he opens completely, bringing his right hand way out of position, and pausing with his left. You could land three punches before he gets it off.
A decent boxer at HW would have a field day with him.
You can't be a small HW with only straight punches.
People say his chin and stamina a questionable; I don't know if this is true, but at his size and his junior-level boxing skills, he needs an iron jaw and endless stamina.Comment
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People like the ''savior'' type of fighters, the smallish guys with some sort of super talent(in this case, Haye's power) that beat up on everyone. I blame media for this(as usual). Oh and than, if they are to say that the aforementioned heavies are good, they will have to admit that they are wrong about the HW division, and you know how it is with people and admitting their fault.Comment
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In my opinion there is alot more to him than that. The guy has lost once in his career and that was when he was very inexperienced against a very experienced fighter and he punched himsef out then got knocked out which is why his chin and stamina are questioned. His stamina is an issue at CW because of his weight issues this wont be the same at HW. As a debut at HW it was very impressive against an opponent who at least on paper is decent.Comment
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That's the thing, BB, there are as many really good HWs as there are really good boxers in any division. If you have five or six guys at the top, which we have at HW, then you have all sorts of potential for good fights, just like now at WW and MW. but they want some '86 Tyson to clear things out. He hasn't been seen, and he sure as hell isn't David Haye.Comment
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None of them are really "terrific" heavyweights, they'd all be pretty sorry KO victims against a prime Lewis, Tyson (I'd give Vitali a shot against an early 90's onward Tyson), etc.
You've also got to remember that Haye isn't nearly as small as Chagaev for example and wouldn't be a "small" heavyweight. He'd probably scale upwards of 230 lbs if he became a full time heavyweight. His hooks are undeveloped because they would have nullified his height and reach advantage at Cruiserweight and with a slow introduction to the rigours of heavyweight boxing he could turn out to be rather competitive.Comment
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Haye is unproven to say the least, so until he has some sort of real coming out party, where he actually shows all the fine qualities that he was depreived at the CW, but you claim he has at HW. He will be what he will be, an unproven fighter with great punch and average(at best) skills. And dont forget, at heavy, he is gonna get hit much, much harder.
Thats what I am rumbling about, people love Tyson like guys, that are sort of underdogs due to their smallish size, but have great talent and skills.Comment
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I'm not doubting he has flaws but he is still a reltively young fighter and has room for improvement and will get a lot bigger when he steps up for real. Also i didnt say i thought he would clean up the division just asked if he would be a threat. U mention there being a lot of good HW Wlad being the best at the mo maybe who if he isnt now was he has definately been a flawed fighter in the past has he not? He has improved so what makes u think haye cannot?Comment
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