Mayweather, Jr. and Dana White Battle Again

[1bad65]

Technical, trust me, you have fallen for alot of MA myths. I'm not dogging you, alot of Westerners do. There is no such thing as 'chi', 'ki', whatever you call it. It's all bs. These idiots can only demonstrate it ON THEIR OWN STUDENTS, and even then only if they stand still with their hands down. Any one can KO someone if they just stand there and give them a free shot.

Seriously, head over to Bullshido.net and ask around. There are alot of guys over there who used to be high ranking guys in CMAs, TMAs, etc who will tell you it is all bs and a guy with about 1 year of MMA training will wreck the 'masters' of these arts.

[Naiujiro]

I hate to renig on what I said earlier, but here a useful article for you.

"Look at me. Judge ME by my size do you? ...And 'ware you should not! For the Force is my ally and a powerful ally it is." -Yoda(The Empire Strikes Back)

The time has come, boys and girls, to talk about Ki. Or Chi. Or Prana. Or whatever the hell else you want to call it. Let me tell you one thing before we take our little journey down into Kung Fu Theatre: This is ONE SORE SUBJECT. People get NUTTIE over this ****. And me, just the kind of guy I am, I enjoy very much the act of pissing people off who take all of this **** so ****ing seriously. So without any further delay, let us begin.
What attracts people, much less students of the Martial Arts to Chi or Ki? The definition of the word 'Ki' is very hard to come by. Ive heard alot. One was "Inner energy.". Or "Life Force.". A friend of mine is Japanese, and he studied a very Traditional Art for a long time. He once told me that the English translation of 'Ki' would be "Breath, awareness and energy." We hear things all the time about these Miraculous things that a Chi master can do. Have you heard any of these stories?
In the immortal words of Wallid Ismael: "Bool-Sheet!"
These nut cases will have you believe that Chi can do everything from helping a stiff neck to ****ing CHI TIME CONTROL! Anyone want to look that last one up you can. Its the title of a real book on Chi (Scientific Premium Company, USA, 1992,61).
Now im not going to go all CRAZY and assault the people who are into this crap for HEALING and healthy living. They want to try and utilize the energy of thier bodies and I dont really know whether or not their bodies are internally healthier because of it. All I know is that the is NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM that ANYONE could EVER use CHI to help defend themself.
And THAT, boys and girls, is what were going to talk about today. Class is officially in session.
I met one of these ABSOLUTE MANIACS one time in the mall near my home. The guy was from a Kung Fu school and he had a small booth there. I dont even remember the style. We got to talking and he explains to me, very calmy mind you, how his instructor can home within an inch of someone and it will be as if physical contact was made. In other words if this guy throws a punch and misses by an inch your still getting hit.
Well *** me, wheres David Blaine now?
Ive heard people tell me that theyve seen other people LEVITATE thru Chi. Amongst Taoist religion, in which is practiced Alchemy there were 'Magician-Priests. The were said to be experts at levitation, while some of them were sprit mediums.
So THIS is where all this **** comes from, huh?
Walk up to one of this sick baztards and ask him to use his Chi on you. He'll develop a look that would suggest he swallowed a garden slug.
"HOW DARE YOU! You ISULT ME! In front of my sudents? In front of my FAMILY?! BAZTARD!" And then Lightning will come out of his fingers and kill you where you stand.
HAHA scared you didnt I?
These guys truly believe that they can harm or even KILL with The Force. And the shame of it all is that they convince their students that they can do the same thing. Id really hate to be there when sme 90lbs woman tries to CHI a mugger off of her.
You'll commonly hear that Humans use only 10% of their minds. What you WONT hear is that its a fallacy. Humans use 100% of our minds. Everywhere you turn theres some jerk off telling that he can use his Chi to find out who killed Kennedy.
Pressure Point Knockouts are another pile of steaming ****. Some old baztard is going to do the Vulcan Neck Pinch on you unless you stop slapping him around. He doesnt even NEED to defend himself. If he REALLY believes that he can do this **** than BINGO: Hes a ****ing NUT JOB! Who the hell is going to attack him? Whens the last time you jumped someone who was crazy enough to believe that he could ****ing LEVITATE? Been a while?
And now the questions we've all been waiting for. What do you think one of the CHI MASTERS would do if someone like, ohhhh Vanderlei Silva thought the Chi Master had slapped his mother? I know exactly what he'd do. Die. Pretty ****in horribly too. Can you picture if that ****ing ape man thought you harmed his mother? He looks like a goddamn biological experiment. You better hope your Chi can conjure up a brick wall.
I dont mean to be harsh about this....oh **** a little late for THAT huh? Well *** YES I meant to be harsh about it! You have grown men in the year 2002 convincing people they have magic powers. Hey im not going to rant anymore. This is a Martial Arts forum so im only interested in Chi as it pertains to improving your skill in the Martial Arts. Which it doesnt. In any way shape or form. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something.

[DA1CATAS]

I've faced a 5-7 month MMA fighter in my gym...

I guess thats too young because i knocked him out. It was his rules But maybe he wasn't as aggressive as a seasoned MMa fighter. I used Boxing gloves because i didnt wanna hurt the top of his head and neck Which I was planning to hit. And thats what I did hit..because he kept trying to grab legs and I sent my straight rights down like a rabbit punch.

end of story.

so you can see why I'm a skeptic on how some fighter could beat a SKILLEd puncher as mayweather.

[Southpaw16]

I have never done MMA and I eat, sleep, and breathe boxing. But I just don't think there is any way a boxer could beat an MMA fighter in an MMA match. I hope Floyd is never dumb enough to try.

Maybe a fair compromise would be Mayweather versus a top UFC lightweight fighter in a kickboxing or Muay Thai rules match inside an octagon. That would be meeting halfway. Mayweather has never fought with his feet before and the UFC guy would have, so that would make it fair. It is not reasonable to put Mayweather in a position where he has to fight on the ground versus Sean Sherk.

I believe boxers are definately better athletes. Easily. I think that Mayweather is a better athlete then Jason Williams, but I wouldn't pick Mayweather to beat him in a one on one basketball game.

[1bad65]

If true, thats good you tested yourself. Keep in mind he could have embellished his training, alot of posers do. Also, was he an MMA guy or a BJJ only guy who said he was into MMA? Unless they learn some Judo or Wrestling, alot of even good BJJ guys have horrible takedowns. I admit that.

Now on Sean Sherk, he has monster takedowns. Actually, some of the best in MMA.

[Mistadobalina]

@Technical_Skill
The one inch punch is not a chi based attack ****head. It combines high acceleration, a snap, follow through, and shifting of your center of mass slightly forward. Look up the dynamics of the move, ******.

that is correct. and the funny thing about alot of these mystical martial arts enthusiasts and their fascination with the 1-inch punch is that the closest it's ever come to being implemented in an actual fight situation has been by...guess who? BOXERS! guys like joe louis and sugar ray robinson turned the theory of short ranged punches that packed concussive KO power into a reality (which is why bruce lee's punching techniques in jeet kune do are very influenced by western boxing). and unlike their mcdojo counterparts, they've actually done it ON FILM against tough guys who are actually trying to fight back, not some douche bag holding a piece of wood. it's leverage, body mechanics, technique, and quite honestly a bit of good genetics that will make a punch like that come true, not no damn dragonball z ****.

[Trax416]

I have never done MMA and I eat, sleep, and breathe boxing. But I just don't think there is any way a boxer could beat an MMA fighter in an MMA match. I hope Floyd is never dumb enough to try.

Maybe a fair compromise would be Mayweather versus a top UFC lightweight fighter in a kickboxing or Muay Thai rules match inside an octagon. That would be meeting halfway. Mayweather has never fought with his feet before and the UFC guy would have, so that would make it fair. It is not reasonable to put Mayweather in a position where he has to fight on the ground versus Sean Sherk.

I believe boxers are definately better athletes. Easily. I think that Mayweather is a better athlete then Jason Williams, but I wouldn't pick Mayweather to beat him in a one on one basketball game.

I agree with you on what you said except for boxers being better atheletes. I would say they are both on the same level of athleticism. A good MMA fighters trains his entire body, for quickness, speed, power and endurance. They are as conditioned as boxers if not even more and many have gone through college and played sports at the NCAA level while wrestling in the NCAA aswell and being world champions, then moving onto Olympics.

Tradiontal Martial Arts:

Traditional Martial Arts DO NOT work in Mixed Martial Arts alone. Forms like Karate, Tea Kwon Do and Ninjitsu are more of an art form then a fighting combat form. This is widely known and has been tested and defeated in MMA. There are specific forms that do work, like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo and Sambo but they have to be coupled with each other and kick boxing to be effective. The days of a fighter being well versed in only ONE martial art have been over for a decade. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A DEATH TOUCH, CHI, SECRET KILLER MOVES OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT, SO FORGET WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU LEARNED IN A KUNG-FU MOVIE. I have trained all my life as I have stated before, I have known Grandmasters of almost every Martial Art form and the stuff you see in Kung-Fu movies is completley and utterly fake. There is no super old-man who can kick a person once and kill them. Someone like Bruce Lee would be destroyed in modern MMA, and lost many many many times when he was alive. JKD (Lee's martial art) has been used in MMA and kick boxing before and has a record currently of 0-44. JKD is a way of thinking not fighting and Bruce himself was one of the first fighters to ever cross-train and many credit him as the first Mixed Martial Art fighter, except, he did not train some of the most essential forms used today.

Bob Sapp sucks

Anyone saying Bob Sapp is good knows nothing about the sport. Bob Sapp is a freakshow you gets beaten up all the time. . As soon as fighter saw what he did he was getting destroyed. Nog beat his ass, Mirko made him cry and even Kimo who is one of the worst MMA fighters in the entire world almost beat Sapp in a Kick boxing fight. Please forget he exists, he is a freakshow that was paid to show up at K-1 because the Japanese love to see stuff like that.

Boxers could be good in MMA
Boxers could be great in MMA but they would need to have at least 3-4 years of training before they can be effective. Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu and other forms take as long if not longer to perfect then boxing. With Jiu Jitsu it can take up to 15 years to earn your blackbelt. A boxer with only 1 year of takedown defence training would be massacred. Mirko Filipvovic can do what Maywheather does with his hands, with his feet. The difference is Mirko hits harder with his legs then any boxer ever has with there hands simply because of physics and the human body (kicks always hurt more then punches). He trained since he was 8 years old in Kickboxing, Boxing and Kyoushin Karate and is now in his 30's. When he first entered MMA he did well against other strikers, much like a boxer would. However as soon as he faced a fighter who knew BJJ he was beaten. The difference is, he was already considered one of the bext Kickboxers to ever live at the time, and Kickboxing is 100000 times better for MMA then boxing is because you learn to use your hands, feet and knees. He had to then pay for a BJJ coach and has been training to improve his ground game for the last 4 years and still if he is taken down he would lose. A boxer would not only need to do this but would also have to learn how to kick,punch, elbow and knee. Could Floyd do well in MMA? Yes but he would need at least 3-4 years of training behind his belt to even make the top 10 in lightweights.

I respect boxers a lot, and ever since I was a little kid I thought I wanted to be one. George Chuvallo who is my dads best friend wanted to get me into it at the age of 4. I boxed and kickboxed for over a decade now and have a good view on things. Boxing is an art form itself. Boxing fans shouldn't feel the need to try and act like a boxer could win in an MMA fight. They simply can't. Just like an MMA fighter can't win in a boxing match. They are separate things, separate sports and should be enjoyed by everyone. All this side-taking and make-believe garbage needs to stop.

[Naiujiro]

I've faced a 5-7 month MMA fighter in my gym...

I guess thats too young because i knocked him out. It was his rules But maybe he wasn't as aggressive as a seasoned MMa fighter. I used Boxing gloves because i didnt wanna hurt the top of his head and neck Which I was planning to hit. And thats what I did hit..because he kept trying to grab legs and I sent my straight rights down like a rabbit punch.

end of story.

so you can see why I'm a skeptic on how some fighter could beat a SKILLEd puncher as mayweather.

Humm... interesting. Props to you for the KO.
A few questions though, how obvious was his shoots? Did he jolt forward, or was it more of a scamper trying to grab your legs? and did his stance change to a wide stance when he was shooting? And my last question, what level was he shooting to chest, hip, knee, or foot?

[1bad65]

I think that both boxers and MMA guys are great athletes. I do think boxers are usually 'tougher'.

One advantage I see in MMA over boxing is that boxing is alot rougher on your body, especially mentally. It's not uncommon for boxers with less than 20 fights to already be slurring their words. I've never really seen a 'punch-drunk' MMA guy. Look at Ali, most boxing analysts agree he is the best ever, yet he is in a horrible mental state and most doctors agree that boxing either caused it or has made a preexisting condition ALOT worse. Hell, Jeremy Horn has over 100 MMA fights and his motor functions, and mental state appear just fine.

[Naiujiro]

I think that both boxers and MMA guys are great athletes. I do think boxers are usually 'tougher'.

One advantage I see in MMA over boxing is that boxing is alot rougher on your body, especially mentally. It's not uncommon for boxers with less than 20 fights to already be slurring their words. I've never really seen a 'punch-drunk' MMA guy. Look at Ali, most boxing analysts agree he is the best ever, yet he is in a horrible mental state and most doctors agree that boxing either caused it or has made a preexisting condition ALOT worse. Hell, Jeremy Horn has over 100 MMA fights and his motor functions, and mental state appear just fine.

Yeah, I'll definitely give boxers that. They are tough as hell for taking all that type of punishment for loads of rounds.