Would Margarito be a bigger challenge for Miguel Cotto?

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  • El Jesus
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    #31
    Originally posted by .::|ULTIMATE|::.
    All the speed and supposive power didnt help him against Baldomir, or tszyu. Cotto is great at applying pressure, which has given judah problems time and time again. No fight is a give me fight, but lets be real about this Cotto is going to be the next one to lay definitive beating on Judah. Judah, while not feather fisted like spinks, isnt a power hitter as some here are making him out to be and the results in previous fights has shown it. He also isnt a master boxer like floyd and when the pressure is on he can and has been gotten to.

    The question here is not weather Cotto will get to Judah or Margarito....... Cotto will get to both that is basically a given. The real question is who is gonna take the shots and still stand and be able to fight back..... reason would suggest that is Antonio Margarito. That is not even taking into account Margarito's physical advantages.
    Judah at 147 is definately a power hitter because you dont see the **** coming. Judah sets up his punches far better than Margarito, thus, making the fight far more competitive because Clottey showed us all you have to do is keep your hands up and Margarito doesnt throw any straight punches to break your gaurd. Cotto's defense is all about keeping his hands close to his head and keeping himself low to the ground and balanced. Judah has the best chance to get through that, while Margarito would be hitting nothing but air and glove as was the case against Clottey who uses virtually the same kind of turtling defense.

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    • TheBlackWallStreet
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      #32
      They both present some problems for Cotto but Zab has that speed factor to go along with the power. I dont think Cotto has seen anyone with faster hands than Zab.

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      • Technical_Skill
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        #33
        Question to Antonio Margarito fans.

        What have you see in his fights with the Likes of....

        Josh Clottey
        Kermit 'The Killer' Cintron (he's alot of things, killer aint one of them)
        Frankie Randall
        Daniel Santos
        Rodney Jones

        To suggest that he wouldn't be pissing blood after a cotto fight?

        The fighter who beats Cotto will probably have to avoid his punches, Just a guess, i could be wrong. lol.

        Therefore who has more chance?

        Judah: Former Undisputed Welterweight champ, gave PBF his toughest fight post Castillo, Quick, Slick, Southpaw with Knockout Power.

        or

        Antonio Margarito: Inherited a WBO title, slow, flat footed, wide punches, no defense, he has knockout power, but got beat by Rodney Jones.

        Seems pretty obvious to me.

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        • Del Coqui
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          #34
          Originally posted by Technical_Skill
          Question to Antonio Margarito fans.

          What have you see in his fights with the Likes of....

          Josh Clottey
          Kermit 'The Killer' Cintron (he's alot of things, killer aint one of them)
          Frankie Randall
          Daniel Santos
          Rodney Jones

          To suggest that he wouldn't be pissing blood after a cotto fight?

          The fighter who beats Cotto will probably have to avoid his punches, Just a guess, i could be wrong. lol.

          Therefore who has more chance?

          Judah: Former Undisputed Welterweight champ, gave PBF his toughest fight post Castillo, Quick, Slick, Southpaw with Knockout Power.

          or

          Antonio Margarito: Inherited a WBO title, slow, flat footed, wide punches, no defense, he has knockout power, but got beat by Rodney Jones.

          Seems pretty obvious to me.
          I dont see how you can base your opinion on past opponents and resume. Zab is very fast but fades in fights and is a weak minded fighter. Against Tony, Cotto will have a tough fight as he had with Bazan and Ndou, that's a bigger, stronger guy throwing hard shots and keep coming at you. I see Zab's speed troubling Cotto until Cotto times him and that left hook gets in range. The thing is, I think Margarito will be able to take Cotto's shots and keep coming forward, Zab wont' be able to take Cotto's punishment and still fight effectively. Margarito is a far bigger threat to Cotto. This is the fight that will make or break Cotto.

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          • Technical_Skill
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            #35
            Originally posted by gerardofpr
            I dont see how you can base your opinion on past opponents and resume.
            Yep, your logic is spot on

            What was i thinkin?

            Comparing the records of two fighters in order to see which them would fair better against Cotto.

            Yep, your right, past opponents dont mean anything, therefore the fact that Margarito hasnt been in the ring with anyone on the level of Cotto before, and the fact that Judah has been in the ring with better fighters than Cotto, does not have any bearing on who is more suited to beat cotto.

            lol.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Technical_Skill
              Yep, your logic is spot on

              What was i thinkin?

              Comparing the records of two fighters in order to see which them would fair better against Cotto.

              Yep, your right, past opponents dont mean anything, therefore the fact that Margarito hasnt been in the ring with anyone on the level of Cotto before, and the fact that Judah has been in the ring with better fighters than Cotto, does not have any bearing on who is more suited to beat cotto.

              lol.
              Hmmm, let me understand your logic, you mean Cotto will have a similar style to PBF through out the first four rounds on his fight against Zab? Are you saying that since Margarito haven't had the same level of opposition Zab has had, Zab will do better, considering Zab has lost every big fight he's ever been in except Spinks 2? Is that what you meant?

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              • Technical_Skill
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                #37
                Originally posted by gerardofpr
                Hmmm, let me understand your logic, you mean Cotto will have a similar style to PBF through out the first four rounds on his fight against Zab? Are you saying that since Margarito haven't had the same level of opposition Zab has had, Zab will do better, considering Zab has lost every big fight he's ever been in except Spinks 2? Is that what you meant?
                It really isn't that difficult, honestly.

                Not just because Judah's has been in with FAR better opponents than Margarito.

                If you wanna talk styles, you arguement becomes even more illlogical

                How is a slow, flat footed, wide punching guy with a poor defense gonna beat Cotto? How can a guy like that have more of a chance than a quick, slick, southpaw with KO power like Judah?

                Daniel Santos beat Margarito, twice.

                Rodney friggin Jones beat Margarito.

                how is that the same as losing to Cory Spinks and Floyd Mayweather? lol

                One minute you say

                ''I dont see how you can base your opinion on past opponents and resume.''

                Next minute your comparing Margarito's resume to Judah as a way of explaining why Margarito has more chance against cotto.

                Seriously, Judah has much more chance then Margarito.

                lol.

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                • guru
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by ds91
                  judah is more of a challenge than margarito.

                  clottey kinda exposed margarito and now people don't really think much of him.

                  the way baldy exposed zab??????????

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                  • King Koyle
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                    #39
                    That's a really good question.Honestly,it's a toss up for me.Zab's faster and more skilled than Margarito.But Antonio's more durable and better chinned than Zab.Man,I really don't know!

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                    • Del Coqui
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                      It really isn't that difficult, honestly.

                      Not just because Judah's has been in with FAR better opponents than Margarito.

                      If you wanna talk styles, you arguement becomes even more illlogical

                      How is a slow, flat footed, wide punching guy with a poor defense gonna beat Cotto? How can a guy like that have more of a chance than a quick, slick, southpaw with KO power like Judah?

                      Daniel Santos beat Margarito, twice.

                      Rodney friggin Jones beat Margarito.

                      how is that the same as losing to Cory Spinks and Floyd Mayweather? lol

                      One minute you say

                      ''I dont see how you can base your opinion on past opponents and resume.''

                      Next minute your comparing Margarito's resume to Judah as a way of explaining why Margarito has more chance against cotto.

                      Seriously, Judah has much more chance then Margarito.

                      lol.
                      Ok, let me break it down for you. Having better opponents even if you lost against them can be a good thing only if learn from it and use it as experience, obviously Zab hasn't, he keeps breaking down in every fight where he actually has someone in front of him who can match his skills and is more determined than he is. Enough about experience.
                      When you talk about Margarito you fail to realize how determined that slow flat footed guy without deffense is. He also has an iron chin and keeps coming at you no matter what you do to him, Clottey hit him with every thing he had and Margarito kept coming at him, this guy challenges you until the last bell of last round. Can we agree on that? Cotto's toughest fights have been against guys who can outlast him, guys who are determined and that are able to take his shots. I dont think Zab can outlast Cotto. Do you agree?

                      Yes, I said ''I dont see how you can base your opinion on past opponents and resume.'' You fail to realize this is about styles and none of their last opponents matches Cotto's style of fighting, maybe Clottey during the first few rounds, but Zab hasn't fought anyone with Cotto's style. And as far as resume, well, are you skipping all of Zab's losses? He did beat a good boxer with a glass chin, that's about it. Margarito has lost, but definitely has put up better fights in those losses than Zab.

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