WHY is this??

[Phantasm]

well, for that matter WILLIE PEP'S stats are more impressive that SRR's

Wont argue with you there. Which is probably why Pep is also in the mix when people make the debate as to all time P4P lists.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Wont argue with you there. Which is probably why Pep is also in the mix when people make the debate as to all time P4P lists.

You know..I was (honored to be) a pall bearer at his funeral a few months ago. I was shocked whenthey asked me.

[PunchDrunk]

ATG theories are usually based on relative accomplishment, not cross-historical hypotheticals. If you were lightweight or weltewrweight champ and moved to middle or light heavy . . . . etc., are the things to consider, not how SRR would fare against PBF and such silly fantasies.

Which is exactly what I was saying, if you read my post?

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Willie Pep Funeral

Wont argue with you there. Which is probably why Pep is also in the mix when people make the debate as to all time P4P lists.

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?i...funeralek3.jpg << Willie Pep funeral photo

[Phantasm]

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?i...funeralek3.jpg << Willie Pep funeral photo

Yup, I remember that you showed us. Shouldnt be too much of a surprise, Ice. As most of us on the forums know, you're all class and have everyone's respect.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Thanks TASM.....I figured most of you saw it already on here...but in case there were some new arrivals.... Pep was amazing, his record is UNREAL

[Easy-E]

WHY...do boxing experts 40 years old and under INSIST that Sugar Ray Robinson was hands down the best fighter ever.... "Ray was the best bar none"...."everybody knows Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest ever"..........(he may have been but this is not my point)....why do they say this when all they have ever seen of him is films of him as a middleweight when his record was kind of average..... we've all seen the films of him with Lamotta, Basilio, Fullmer, etc....THAT wasn't the best boxer ever, it was before that where he made his mark.... and all the old time guys say so and that's great...but now u have boxing guys who are 26 years old who discuss the man and it's like "Oh, hey, sheesh, man. That's no-brainer. Sugar Ray Robinson, best fighter ever. Period, end of story." They have never even really seen the guy and if they are only going by what the read or by what bert Sugar says or by the fights they have seen on ESPN classic, well, I don't watch THAT GUY and say he is the best ever..... Ray Robinson may have been the best fighter ever but that version of him wasn't. I don't know, it just kind of makes me laugh when I see these guys who get so serious when they talk about Ray when all they know about him is what they have heard. You cannot say that Stevie Ray Vaughn or Hendrix or Clapton whoever is "the best ever" if you never heard the guy play, can you???

I absolutly agree ICE.
SRR is overrated in the sense that people who have NEVER seen him fight rate his as the greatest of all time.

[j]

my question is why does there always have to be a "greatest?"

"the greatest" concept only seems to exist in order to create arguments.

my opinion, no such thing as "the greatest." and that goes for nearly everything.

[Technical_Skill]

I absolutly agree ICE.
SRR is overrated in the sense that people who have NEVER seen him fight rate his as the greatest of all time.

Spot on, they just assume he his the best,

Boxing has come a long way since then.

[JackSlack]

Joe Louis gets my pick.
HBO started that Robinson "P4P" after the Boxing Writers voted him the best ever in the late 70's and Curt Gowdy hosted a tv show about boxing's best.