WHY is this??

[Steak]

It is kind of bad sometimes. The old timers and peopel who listen to what they say can be pretty amazing nowadays.

I was watching the Marciano Ringside just last night, and one of the guys was saying that Lee Savold would be a contender, maybe even champ in THIS heavyweight division, while he was just a journeyman at the time of the Marciano fight.

thats pushing it imo...
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[CletusVanDamme]

Please,

It was a home run punch,

He was getting decisivley beaten

I wont even go into Marciano's ties with the mob,

and the allegations he actually lost fights, that were wiped from his record.

Just an opinion ok.

How can you praise Tyson yet talk about Marciano's mob ties. Tyson is a saint all the sudden.

[Technical_Skill]

How can you praise Tyson yet talk about Marciano's mob ties. Tyson is a saint all the sudden.

What you talking about?

All im is saying that Tyson is a better fighter than Marciano, yet Burt Sugar had Marciano much higher on his top 100 of all time.

Tyson's private life is not relavant cos it has nothing to do with this topic.

Marciano's is, because there are substantial allegations fights were fixed in his favour and some early losses in his carrer were wiped off.

I think people need to read the title of thread, then read my original post, rather than jumping in mid-conversation without even knowing what points i have made.

Regards

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Please,
It was a home run punch, He was getting decisivley beaten I wont even go into Marciano's ties with the mob, and the allegations he actually lost fights, that were wiped from his record.
Just an opinion ok.

NEWSFLASH: If there were guys that actually beat Marciano....I have to think they might have brought it up to somebody (Hey I BEAT THAT GUY!!) and if Lucky Luciano had jumped in the ring and clubbed Walcott then yea, I suppose they could have had some influence.

[Technical_Skill]

NEWSFLASH: If there were guys that actually beat Marciano....I have to think they might have brought it up to somebody (Hey I BEAT THAT GUY!!) and if Lucky Luciano had jumped in the ring and clubbed Walcott then yea, I suppose they could have had some influence.

Yawn,

Newsflash!

I dont watch the news. lol

Yeah your logic is spot on, money and threats can't silence people, some bum walks into a bar and says ''i beat Marciano'', and everyone believes him, then the FBI are called in.

lmao

Wether you like it or not, there were allegations of foul play involving his record.

Im not saying wether they are correct or not, im just saying the allegations are there.

Tyson > Marciano every time.

Burt Sugar's list is an example of how people assume the older fighters are better than the new ones, he had Marciano at 30 summin, and Tyson at 99 or summin.

Anyone can see there is something wrong with that.

That was the point i made.

It's an opinion, hope u can live with it.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I dont watch the news. lol

Yeah your logic is spot on, money and threats can't silence people, some bum walks into a bar and says ''i beat Marciano'', and everyone believes him, then the FBI are called in.


SOME BUM? How about a guy that fought professional before? How about all the sportwriters and fans that would have been present at these fights you think happened? So in all these years noo one single person came through with a photo or a newspaper account of the fight that got hidden away? Yea THAT is likely.

[Technical_Skill]

I dont watch the news. lol

Yeah your logic is spot on, money and threats can't silence people, some bum walks into a bar and says ''i beat Marciano'', and everyone believes him, then the FBI are called in.


SOME BUM? How about a guy that fought professional before? How about all the sportwriters and fans that would have been present at these fights you think happened? So in all these years noo one single person came through with a photo or a newspaper account of the fight that got hidden away? Yea THAT is likely.

I dunno why you cant quote me properly, or the reason you write in bold.

Anyways

Like i said before

'Yawn'

If you have time, do a search on google, and then decide how far fetched the claims are for yourself,

I have never said they were true.

My original post puts these points into context.

Cong**** on a good thread

laters.

lol.

[CletusVanDamme]

Yawn,

Newsflash!

I dont watch the news. lol

Yeah your logic is spot on, money and threats can't silence people, some bum walks into a bar and says ''i beat Marciano'', and everyone believes him, then the FBI are called in.

lmao

Wether you like it or not, there were allegations of foul play involving his record.

Im not saying wether they are correct or not, im just saying the allegations are there.

Tyson > Marciano every time.

Burt Sugar's list is an example of how people assume the older fighters are better than the new ones, he had Marciano at 30 summin, and Tyson at 99 or summin.

Anyone can see there is something wrong with that.

That was the point i made.

It's an opinion, hope u can live with it.

The allegations of Mob ties are probably true. A Mob bosses son died in the crash with Marciano. However the fixes didn't happen imo. The loss you speak of is a questionable amateur fight, that was alleged to be a pro fight by some. Tyson is one of my all time favorites, but I suspect alot of the Marciano hate comes from the fact he is white. No way Tyson>Marciano anytime.

[Technical_Skill]

The allegations of Mob ties are probably true. A Mob bosses son died in the crash with Marciano. However the fixes didn't happen imo. The loss you speak of is a questionable amateur fight, that was alleged to be a pro fight by some. Tyson is one of my all time favorites, but I suspect alot of the Marciano hate comes from the fact he is white. No way Tyson>Marciano anytime.

No way could Marciano ever live with a Prime Tyson,

Seriously,

Tyson > Marciano any day of the week.

Prime Tyson>any heavyweight (yes, even a prime cassius clay, although Ali could have beaten tyson also)

[CletusVanDamme]

No way could Marciano ever live with a Prime Tyson,

Seriously,

Tyson > Marciano any day of the week.

Prime Tyson>any heavyweight (yes, even a prime cassius clay, although Ali could have beaten tyson also)

Maybe your our right. Atleast I verified your Marciano record questions. Thanks for noticing.lol