frank warren question?

[.Mik.]

Lacy destroyed Robin Reid the same man who many thought beat Calzaghe.

Didnt I see you posting about the Reid vs Calzaghe fight the other day and admitting that you hadnt even seen it?

I wish that people would stop trying to use triangular logic to try and prove a point, it doesnt ****ing work. The Robin Reid that Calzaghe fought was young, only defeated once, was tough, Calzaghe fought him in Reid's backyard where Reid was a massive crowd favourite (which is difficult for judges and casual fans to get passed as when people are screaming over every punch landed...you tend to give them more impact than the other guy's punches) and the hometown judge scored the fight in Reid's favour. The other two (non hometown) judges scored it with a 5 round advantage to Calzaghe. Reid himself admitted that Calzaghe was his superior and had won the fight.

The Reid that fought Jeff Lacy was 6 years older. He'd been defeated another two times and he lasted 8 rounds with a Lacy who had only gone over that distance 4 other times in his career. Reid wasnt KOed and I dont recall him having hit the canvas either.

So exactly what is your logical comparison here?

[GunStar]

Didnt I see you posting about the Reid vs Calzaghe fight the other day and admitting that you hadnt even seen it?

I wish that people would stop trying to use triangular logic to try and prove a point, it doesnt ****ing work. The Robin Reid that Calzaghe fought was young, only defeated once, was tough, Calzaghe fought him in Reid's backyard where Reid was a massive crowd favourite (which is difficult for judges and casual fans to get passed as when people are screaming over every punch landed...you tend to give them more impact than the other guy's punches) and the hometown judge scored the fight in Reid's favour. The other two (non hometown) judges scored it with a 5 round advantage to Calzaghe. Reid himself admitted that Calzaghe was his superior and had won the fight.

The Reid that fought Jeff Lacy was 6 years older. He'd been defeated another two times and he lasted 8 rounds with a Lacy who had only gone over that distance 4 other times in his career. Reid wasnt KOed and I dont recall him having hit the canvas either.

So exactly what is your logical comparison here?

Show me my post where I said I didn't see the fight fool??? You probably have not seen the fight yourself, I own the damn fight and guess what I've seen many British polls that had Reid winning the fight, go argue your point to the British people!

[SHB]

It always makes me smile when people say Reid won that fight when even the losing fighter didn't even think he did - all that against a man who had busted his hand in the early rounds.

Anyone who uses triangular logic to determine the outcome of any fight is both uneducated in the sport and doesn't know their history.

[deuce_drop]

It always makes me smile when people say Reid won that fight when even the losing fighter didn't even think he did - all that against a man who had busted his hand in the early rounds.

Anyone who uses triangular logic to determine the outcome of any fight is both uneducated in the sport and doesn't know their history.

so you can't use a common opponent to help assess an upcoming fight? that don't make sense? could anyone clearify for me? how do you think they handicap fights and make odds?

[Gareth Ivanovic]

It sucks that a fighter like Calzaghe really didn't get any worldwide recognition until he beat Lacy. I know he was probably pretty big in Great Britain, but not internationally. He is a good fighter, but when you look at the fighters he has fought most of them are second tier fighters. Lacy was his biggest test and yeah at the time many thought Lacy was going to destroy him, but he really wasn't that great.

He is 35 right now and his prime years might be behind him. It's a shame that we constantly have this discussion about Calzaghe and how good he really is. He is very talented, but Frank Warren has put him in the position to be underappreciated and thought of as someone who ducks the big names. Once Ricky Hatton left he got better fights with maybe the exception of Juan Urango. Amir Khan I hope does the same when the time comes.

[.Mik.]

Show me my post where I said I didn't see the fight fool??? You probably have not seen the fight yourself, I own the damn fight and guess what I've seen many British polls that had Reid winning the fight, go argue your point to the British people!

Perhaps you missed the part where I asked whether it was you who I had seen admitting that you hadnt even seen the Reid/Calzaghe fight. It was not an accusation. I figured that the use of the good old question mark at the end of the sentence might have given you an indication of the fact that IT...WAS...A...QUESTION. Evidently an understanding of grammar in the English language is not especially a weapon in your arsenal.

You go ahead and find me these credible polls where you have Reid winning the fight against Calzaghe. These magical mystical polls which you have 'seen'. Of course, I dont deny their existance. Robin Reid was the popular British fighter at the time and Joe Calzaghe was not. But I'd still like you to go ahead and find them for me.

In return, I will have waiting for you the article where Robin Reid (the other guy in the fight lest you should forget) admitted not long after the fight that he has been quite rightly defeated.

[GunStar]

Perhaps you missed the part where I asked whether it was you who I had seen admitting that you hadnt even seen the Reid/Calzaghe fight. It was not an accusation. I figured that the use of the good old question mark at the end of the sentence might have given you an indication of the fact that IT...WAS...A...QUESTION. Evidently an understanding of grammar in the English language is not especially a weapon in your arsenal.

You go ahead and find me these credible polls where you have Reid winning the fight against Calzaghe. These magical mystical polls which you have 'seen'. Of course, I dont deny their existance. Robin Reid was the popular British fighter at the time and Joe Calzaghe was not. But I'd still like you to go ahead and find them for me.

In return, I will have waiting for you the article where Robin Reid (the other guy in the fight lest you should forget) admitted not long after the fight that he has been quite rightly defeated.

I answered you, I guess you're so ****ing ******ed you don't even remember. You can shove your grammar up your ****ing homer ass mother ****er!

[.Mik.]

so you can't use a common opponent to help assess an upcoming fight? that don't make sense? could anyone clearify for me? how do you think they handicap fights and make odds?

The problem with triangular logic is that is misused and is all too frequently used as an indication of certainty.

Like I said earlier, using a Robin Reid in the best fight of his life as the hometown favourite against a guy with a broken hand, compared to a Robin Reid 6 years past his sell by date in his second off last fight to date is hardly likely to be a good indicator.

The fact of what happened with Calzaghe vs Lacy demonstrates as much.

[SHB]

so you can't use a common opponent to help assess an upcoming fight? that don't make sense? could anyone clearify for me? how do you think they handicap fights and make odds?

To help, yes. Not base your opinions on.

Lets use Calzaghe-Lacy and Robin Reid as the common factor. Lacy blitzed him out in the end, whilst Calzaghe staggered to a decision. Looking at the bare bones of that would be wrong as a) Reid was world class then, b) Calzaghe busted his hand and c) Reid was fighting on home turf. Also it pays absolutely no regard to the types of fighters involved and what strengths and weaknesses the boxers possess.

It's quite possible for a fighter to look **** against one opponent but look brilliant against another. History is littered with examples of fighters losing to a fighter another beat and then he went and destroyed the other.

[.Mik.]

I answered you, I guess you're so ****ing ******ed you don't even remember. You can shove your grammar up your ****ing homer ass mother ****er!

Your lack of intellect genuinely worries me.

I asked whether or not it was you who had admitted that you hadnt seen that fight.

You responded with:

Show me my post where I said I didn't see the fight fool???

I then reminded you that I didnt say that you HAD said that. Instead I'd merely asked you if it WAS you who had said that. Ergo, a question.

You respond with:

I answered you, I guess you're so ****ing ******ed you don't even remember.

I think, and I'm sorry for having to say this, but it is a concern...that you, might just, be an idiot.