Calzaghe and Warren

[GunStar]

Very well then. Explain to me the faults in this very simple statement.

If Taylor accepted $4.6m to fight Winky Wright and Frank Warren offers him a similar amount to fight Joe Calzaghe, and Taylor refuses that without opening any negotiations or making any requests. Then it is not Calzaghe's fault, its Taylors.

That is all I've said on the subject, so how can it be deemed full of ****? I'd rather see the fight in USA and I think that'd be a fair negotiation point for Taylor. I also think that he should negotiate for the date. I also think that there may be more money in the fight and that should be a point for negotiation. But I see NO negotiation coming back in return as being a bad indication of Taylor and his camps' unwillingness to fight Calzaghe...until it happens.

This will be my last replay to any of your post, because I think you're an *******!

Taylor fought at home against Wright, big difference he's not going to UK fighting in Calzaghe's hometown for 4 mil. What happened to Calzaghe coming to America for his first career fight, I guess he will stay home for the rest of his career.

Taylor will be fighting the winner of Miranda/Pavlik after he fights Spinks on May 19th, if he doesn't fight the winner then he will lose his belt, besides he does not have enough time to fight Calzaghe in that short amount of time, considering he needs to gain weight to move up to Super Middleweight division.

Both offers from Warren is a joke just like you are!

[Technical_Skill]

To be fair to Joe he`s always looked for the biggest fighters out there and I think his main problem is one man Frank Warren. Warren hasnt got the money to bring big fighters over to the Uk and is defo in the shadow of Bob Arum, Don King and Oscar De La Hoya. when Warren offers a fighter of Taylor`s calibre $4 million that`s peanuts to what he could earn in the US. as I said De La Hoya, Arum and King can make fights and give fighters in excess of 10 million a fight. Warren done the same to Ricky Hatton and it`s only since Hatton signed with Hobson that he has started to get his career into gear.

In my opinion It may be too late but Joe get rid of that waste of space Frank Warren.

The only good thing about Warren is to pad fighters records

Good point.

The problem with Warren is that he rides his fighters for every last penny they can make for him, he refuses to put them in with the best in each division and is very skilled at coming up with different reasons and angles about why you should watch his next card.

Examples. Look at his justification for the British Heavyweight merry go round that is Williams, Harrisson, Skelton, Sprott, each one of them have been promised world title shots after their wins (except audely i think) and has he delivered yet, no?, pure lies,

Time after time he creates these fantasy fights which are usually one step away, the last classic one he did was convincing people that Scott 'the real McCoy' Harrisson was gonna get in the ring with Marco Antonio Barrera.lol.

Another was when he said he 'hadn't been notified' of a Lennox Lewis comeback (as if anyone would ever tell him lol) and proceed to say he would do the fight at Wembley, Frank we both know Lewis and HBO aint lettin you touch that ****....give it up.

Naseem Hamed was being touted as the best in his division, no doubting he had talent and was an awesome puncher, but he and Frank warren did an exellent job of winning belts and then vacating them to avoid better fighters, Marquez etc.

To warren these fighters are a cash cow, and he will pad their records with every last bum until they come to the end of the road, there is no one left, and they have to step up, and they usually get beat, ala Naseem-Barrera.

Everytime i see Frank on ITV i find myself doing a panto rountine where Frank says about Joe, 'he'll be fighting someone big next' and i says in panto style 'NOOOO HE WONT!!!'

Calzaghe is a quality fighter, but what did he say after Lacy (I predicted Claazghe TKO in RD10, he was always gonna be too fast)

''I only want the big fights from now on''

Sakio Bika?, Manfredo?

The Manfredo fight stunk out HBO so bad they wont let Frank Warren anywhere near the negotiating table without a can of deoderant, so i dont wanna hear from anyone about how this makes the US know Joe Calzaghe or hold him in high regard.

All the US knows is he won a mis-match with a pretty disgraceful stoppage (yes, he would have finished him next round, but they should have let him finsh it on him own terms).

If calazghe wants the big fights, hop on a plane to the US, cos like it or not, thats where the big fights happen, its a very simple choice, the more he stays in his own backyard, the less respect he will get, im not saying that is my personal train of thought, but it is, what it is.

Obviously he has more chance of this if he leaves Warren, all this bull**** about Taylor coming over to the UK next when Warren's only chance of a big fight on July is to get Kessler, is further proof of why he should leave frank.

Just my opinion.

[.Mik.]

Examples. Look at his justification for the British Heavyweight merry go round that is Williams, Harrisson, Skelton, Sprott, each one of them have been promised world title shots after their wins (except audely i think) and has he delivered yet, no?, pure lies,

Sorry what? The only one of them who ever won a worthwhile fight (Williams against Tyson...which wasnt even worthwhile really) got a title shot (against Vitali). As much as I hate Warren, his heavyweight fighters dont get title shots because they dont deserve them.

[Technical_Skill]

Sorry what? The only one of them who ever won a worthwhile fight (Williams against Tyson...which wasnt even worthwhile really) got a title shot (against Vitali). As much as I hate Warren, his heavyweight fighters dont get title shots because they dont deserve them.

Im referring to the Sprott, Harrisson, Willams, Skelton merry go round, whereby they all fought each other on the premise of a world title shot....which never happened.

Not what happened between williams, tyson and Vitali.

And i have never said those fighter ever deserved shots at a leagitmate world champ, cos clearly they dont.

[.Mik.]

And thats why they dont get a shot. Cos the favourite in the fight always loses to the other guy. Harrison is favourite, Williams wins, Williams is favourite, Skelton wins, Williams is favourite, Harrons wins, Harrison is favourite, Sprott wins. They are all jokes and they cant win their fights, thats why they dont get the title shots.

[EliteSoldier]

4 million is enough to fight calzaghe, stop sucking taylors ****.

[Technical_Skill]

And thats why they dont get a shot. Cos the favourite in the fight always loses to the other guy. Harrison is favourite, Williams wins, Williams is favourite, Skelton wins, Williams is favourite, Harrons wins, Harrison is favourite, Sprott wins. They are all jokes and they cant win their fights, thats why they dont get the title shots.

No they dont get a shot, cos there never was a title shot in the first place, its all Warren Hype.


Example.

Warren is hoping to get Valuev or Maskev cos those are the two weakest champs along with Briggs.

Now Warren probably doesnt want Briggs cos he always has a punchers chance, especially against the guys we are talking about here.

Valuev aint ever fighting these guys, because Valuev handpicks fighters and knows these guys could KO him,Williams could KO him, i'd pick Harrisson over Valuev, even now, Sprott, i think Valuev would beat Sprott.

Warren has never had anything concrete to suggest any of these guys will ever get world title shot.

And by the way Wladimir would knock all these guys out stone cold IMO lol. so no way is Warren looking for that fight unless its a last resort lmao.

Point is, its all bull, Warren knows these fights aint happening any time in the near future, yet he lies to create an interest in his ****ty card.

Once again i am NOT saying these guys deserve a shot, that is a completely different topic.

You above point does have some validity.

[.Mik.]

I'm not disagreeing with you pal.

[adietheforestfa]

And this time I won't be one of those 35,000.

I've never been so angry leaving a boxing match, not even after Hatton/Pederson (he was meant to fight Pinto for ****'s sake) or after Witter/Kotelnik (blatant robbery and one boring ****in fight)

What did you expect from Frank Warren?

I was at Witter / Kotelnik, although close i scored it 115-114 in favour of witter. Kotelnik has a very good defence and didnt make great veiwing, IMO the result was spot on. Junior is underated, he doesnt get hit too often and IMO would give Ricky Hatton Nightmares if they ever fight.

[Peder]

4 million is enough to fight calzaghe, stop sucking taylors ****.

At 168, in the UK, and after only 2 months recovery?

Wonder how much it would take to make Taylor do that..